Get with it. Bush is trying to take over the world? :lol:
That conclusion takes a whole lot of imagination and not much rational thought.

And the UN? They are the REASON we have been in the majority of our conflicts in the past. They have asked for our support. Bosnia, Somolia, Kosovo, Desert Storm.

And for taking over the country? OF COURSE WE INVADED IRAQ TO TAKE IT OVER! The attack pattern? Its called covering your ass. What you dont seem to understand is that we dont want Iraq. We arent going to stay there. We occupied it to get rid of the regime that was in place.

I agree with going to Iraq. I think Clinton shoulda done it 7 years ago.

I think we shoulda sent about 200,000 more troops, and got it over with in a shorter period of time. I think blaming one man for all the problems in our country is wrong.

No one coulda seen 9/11 coming. I wonder what we woulda thought of Bush had that not happened.

Sadaam was an evil man. And if we had been going to Iraq to profit from it, I wouldn't have just paid Amoco $32 to fill my tank.

I don't believe that Bush handles himself well at all. The guy just doesn't look smart enough to be a president. BUT, at least he's got an opinon for himself. (Kerry's inability to vote one way or another)

I don't know enough good about either candidate to vote for anyone.

Republicans have bad ideas, Democrats don't have any.

I've got $20 says that Tom just got done watching a Micheal Moore Movie



Micheal Moore is an ass. Bush giving us WMD as a reason to go to war is no better than using Micheal Moore movies as an excuse to vote for someone else.


And stem cell research?? I've been raised Lutheran from the begining. If we start harvesting humans (and they are humans if the egg is fertilized) then god help us all.

If it's double murder when you kill a mother who is with child, then how is harvesting human unborn cells not??



I will say this, my roommate Dave thinks that Iraq was hell, but he'd go back in a heart beat because he knows that they need our help. Whether or not Iraq realizes that Iraq needs help is another question.

Wow Tom, I didn't even believe you were that ignorant! The separation of state and government was not put in the constitution like you think about it today. They just did not want it to be one in the same like a lot of governments before that (Greeks, Romans, ect). If you would have paid attention to history class, you would realize the influence christianity had in our government.

Of course most countries hate us. We are arrogant as a people and most countries are also jealous of us.

How is this going to make any money for Bush? We free Iraq, give them a capitalist government so they won't have to be a part of OPEC anymore. They can sell as much oil as they want, which will lower oil prices and LOSE money for Bush!

Now go learn something before you go spouting off BS. Books don't always have pictures of naked chicks in them, some actually have useful information. Try reading one of those kinds!

Am I saying Bush is a godsend? Hell no! I would rate him at 60% or so, but I know Gore would have been MUCH worse in the situation Bush was put into. I don't think Kerry is capable of doing as good as Bush.

every point you have made has no basis in reality. do you know anything? i've yet to see a more incorrect post on this forum.

FYI: No significant progress or discoveries have been made from *FETAL* stem cell research. Stem cells can be harvested from people. Bush opposes *FETAL* stem cell research, which has shown no advantage over other techniques. So why abort a fetus/embryo for stem cells when there are other sources?

If by "useing an unbias mind" you meant "using a mind lacking enough intelligence to form its own bias", :toast: "It is all truth."

The only thing we are forcing upon/placing in Iraq is FREEDOM, last I checked that wasn't such a bad thing.Yes, for a limited amount of time the US may be able to "steer" the Iraqi government in the direction that best fits our interests, but in the end, the Iraqi government will be elected by Iraqi's.

There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion, by virtue of human nature, any view any human can hold is biased in some way.The only unbiased look or view is from pictures and video.And even those can be be biased via being taken out of context.I recently have been watching a series of shows on The Discovery Times Channel on present Iraq.These shows are basically camera teams that have been wandering around Iraq since Sadam's removal.They have little commentary other than basic descriptions, and absolutely no opinions.They show the frequent gatherings by thousands of Iraqi people discussing their futures, And there is not a single american around.They show the smaller "city counsel" gatherings trying to restore power, water, etc and there isn't a single american around.They show the smoke shops where people sit and talk(able to express their opinions for once in their lives) and no americans around.They definately don't look "conquered".The only thing conquered in Iraq was tyranny.

If anything, for once in their lives, the Iraqi people have the strength and ability to help their own futures, their spirit is no longer broken by a murderous tyrannical regime.Honestly, its not really possible for us to force anything on the Iraqi people, where there are tens of millions of people with a new found spirit and power to make better lives for themselves and their families, there isn't a military on the face of this earth that could conquer that.

Bush made a decision and then made sure it was carried out.This is a very admirable quality in a president of the US, and not a quality that was common throughout history.This country was built by such action takers, not whining indecisive passive fucking pussy liberals.

I dont understand why everyone is flying off the handle. Personally I think all this shit is retarded John Kerry wants to fight and stand up for the poor people and shit he himself is worth around 50 million.
Bush If you guys slow down and think about things why we are in Iraq It doesn't has as much todo with 9-11 like so many people think and tell themselves saying yeah we are getting back for 9'11 and think it is a ligitiment excuss.

Why are common folk like all of our broke ass's not running for president these people run for presidency not to make a differnce but for fame and power, and you can hardly deny that. The same people that throw yeah we are giving you all tax breaks are billionare oilers that have never walked our shoes sat in our homes or lived off of the wages we earn.
Before I get flammend on this I believe what I want just like so many of you do If you disagree with me your not going to change my mind and if you try to you can just go :censored: yourself.

There is no true presidents and more lincoln was probably the last one.
-joe

I'm going to let Bush finish what he started.

P.S. Kerry can lick my sweaty balls. It will be a cold day in hell before he gets elected as President of this fine country.

"The separation of state and government was not put in the constitution like you think about it today. "
SEPERATION OF CHURCH and State.

I have always hated bush with a passion, and trust me, all the the points i have made are fact you ignorant fucks. Why dont you stop calling me a pussy liberal and take the fucking dildo out you ass and realise that bush is a fucking white trash hick from housten, GO FUCK YOUR COUSIN BUSH, i know i wouldnt wanna fuck the bag hes with now.

"FYI: No significant progress or discoveries have been made from *FETAL* stem cell research. Stem cells can be harvested from people. Bush opposes *FETAL* stem cell research, which has shown no advantage over other techniques. So why abort a fetus/embryo for stem cells when there are other sources?"
For your information there has been Huge progress, but the fact is that stem cells are a newer discovery that we need to jump on and use it to the fullest. I am pro-choice, i believe it is a womans choice if she wants a child in this world or not, since when should the goverment decide whether a women can give up a child. if they get rid of abortion, sad but true mothers will go by other means of aborting. i know thats horrible to say but it is the truth. if we were to continue the research on stem cells there would be humoungeous effects on the way we live.

you assholes keep taking bits and pieces from my posts and twisting them around and making them into something totally different. Fuck that. if you vote bush you might as well say goodbye to this great country of our because i will not be surprized if this idiot turns the world against us.
and NO Raptor I have NOT seen the michael moore movie, nor do i want to because i know how full of shit he can be at times.
I never knew there were this many close minded people on this board.
Tom

Don't you understand, just because you don't like Bush, that doesn't make Kerry a good choice for president?

I'm sure Mike said that because from what you say, you sound just like Michael Moore.Meaning you take bits and pieces from the "big picture" and formulate your own "big picture" while ignoring the actual "big picture".

I do agree with you on the stem cell research though.

Vote for me, i will make EVERYTHING better!!!

-E

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LMAO, nice photochop!

-E

well, i wouldn't say "we", necessarily, na-mean?

i am going to vote for kerry. i suppose i can't change anyone's mind, but guess what? MN votes dem in presidential elections. at least in my recent memory. but for some reason this time it's a big swing state. there are like 10 swing voters here.

bwahahaha, kerry world domination!!! lol.

Actually, Bush almost won MN last election.

I pooped a cornish game hen.

haha. you are a top-notch intellectual tpun. you stated no facts.

here are some 'facts' for you



There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, realize the following ..

FDR... led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
year.

Truman... finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson... turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ...
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida.

I'm lovin that picture!!! And Tom I just wanted to reply to one thing you said. You said you're getting a lot of info from people who are and were in the middle east, and they are getting lied to constantly you say. I dunno if you knew, but I was there for OIF from February until June. Anyway, of course the people who are over there and stuck in that shit hole right now are upset. Wouldn't you be? I'm sure if I got stuck over there for a year, I'd be pretty pissed and prolly have a small grudge towards Bush, or anyone high up in command, about that. Hell I was pissed and was only there 3 1/2 months. Then it doesn't help when people start rumors that you're going home. You get excited, just to be let down because it was all a rumor. Then all the letters you write home now, you talk about how they said you were supposed to go home but they cancelled it and you're all pissed off at everyone who does have the power to send you home, and you feel you have no purpose there anymore so why can't you go home. It happened to all of us in my unit. Once the word got put out we were gunna go home, everyone was excited. Then our date kept getting pushed back, and we all were pissed. So anyone we communicated with at home just heard about how they lied to us and we're stuck here and we're not doing anything so we might as well go home, but they all got it out for us and aren't letting us leave. Well now that I am home, it's easy to look back and see it wasn't their fault. We all just wanted to get the hell outta there and never come back, and we were all tired and pissed off and sick of living with each other. Troops overseas aren't always the best people to get info from even though they are over there. Just maybe a lil food for thought. I'm not gunna argue my views, I'm one shitty arguer. I just think Bush played his hand pretty well for the cards he was delt.

I vote Bush.