Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

OK i had written a shit load just a bit ago but i accidently closed the window and it all got erased ::slaps head:: but ill try and re-write it as accuratly as possible.... here goes.
Any drug that makes you act like that fucktard in the movie OBVIOUSLY killed more braincells then it was worth.
I have tried almost every drug once (some on multiple occasions) but i would NEVER try this drug. The simple reason is that by what this kid was saying about the enviornment having a huge impact on the drug. Any drug that the enviornment has that much impact on whether you have a good peak or a bad peak really isnt worth the risk. I have done E on multiple occasions and that is a drug that is affected by the enviornment you are in, but it is not to the extent of what this kid is saying.
NOW... with the whole "We smoke weed and do drugs to free our mind" OK Hippy you fucking missed your year by a good 40 years. The hippys of the 60s and 70s were doing drugs to free their minds because the 50s were so oppressed and the war in Vietnam. Welcome to the 2000's buddy, how about doing something to better your life and expand your lifestyle instead of fucking smokeing your life away. IF you dare say i dont smoke to be cool, i smoke to open my horizons, go fuck yourself, you lying to yourself and now your lying to us. How about using that time that you were using to "Open your horizons" and opening a book then instead of numbing your brain you will be enlightening it and bettering yourself.
Im sorry for the rant, but kids these days are so fucking retarded that they dont know whats up and whats down. They look for the "New" drug to kill their braincells and be cool. Like i said before i have tried almost every drug out there but now that i look back on it, it was a waste.
So fuck every one of these stoner ass retards that wanna be hippies and smoke themselves stupid, i guess when we kick out the illegals these fuck ups will be the ones cleaning out my garbage cans at work.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Wow what a thread. I am with Tauni on this one. Sure once in a while isnt going to hurt much, but how many people do you know that actually only smoke pot once in a while? With every single pot smoker I know, they went from once in a while to occasionally to a few times a week and about half of them to once a day or more. A couple quit, but no one ever just stayed at like once a month or whatever. Dont tell me this bullshit about it not fucking with your head. I know a guy name Joe, he was never smart, but he could atleast walk and talk at the same time. He's been smoking weed for a few years now, nothing else, and he can barely carry on a coherent conversation. Another guy named Greg smokes 2-3 times a day and he sits and giggles about stupid shit all day, stoned or not. Dont say its got no physical harms either. Know any runners that smoke pot? No. I know a few people that used to run or play sports but started smoking weed and now they have a hard time running the length of a football field without stopping to take a breath. And yes it is a gateway drug. Do you know anyone that just starts off on meth? Nope, they do pot first. A really good example of a drug fuck up is my buddy Duane. He started smoking pot when his mom died when he was 14. Now he cant hold down a steady job, walk up a flight of stairs without huffing and puffing, and the drugs fucked his mind enough for thim to get like 4-5 different mental conditions. You stoners can convince yourselves of whatever you want but it is fuckin with you mentally and physically. Just keep on it for 15 years or so, and when your stupid ass is out of breath from walking and you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time, I will laugh. Sure some people can socially do pot and still lead a successful life, but the vast majority of you end up retarded burnouts working at the 7/11 and living in mom's basement.

And HaredX, dont like us? Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

YES!

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Yes there is no physical link, let me share with you all the reason that pot IS a gateway drug.
Think of it this way. A girl or guy loses their virginity. Now that they have gone over that first hill of having sex for the first time they realise that sex isnt that big of deal as its made out to be. so they do it more and more and start trying new positions, and eventually they are left with a sore ass. Even though there is no PHYSICAL evidence that sex is a gateway to new positions its human nature that if you "try" something for the first time, you are likely to "try" other things for the first time.
Same thing with pot, once you smoke it and realise that its not that big of deal you look for the next way to get high, although there is no physical evidence, human nature is all the evidence you need.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

drugs re gay.. pot is a gateway drug or ou guys wouldnt be doing schrooms and salvia case you experienced a high and that obviously wasnt enough.. you wanted more..

so weed isnt a gateway drug if you want to play on words but it really is.. I can say this as I used to poke smot quite often.. (sober for like amost 2 years now)

Anyway salvia is cool if your into it and hav drawn to the conclusion you cantbe satisfied with a normal high or buzz. and that you cant have fun without being intoxicated.

drugs are fuckin gya. since I quit ive turned my life around completely. EVERYTHING is soo much better and you guys would realizetha ttoo.

drinking is more social and socially excepted then pot because its a drink and makes people feel better cause they arent smoking anything rather then just replenishing their thirst a dfferent way ;)

also jared and tom.. you guys could fight against alcohol IF you didnt drink all the time too. if you can say all that shit abotu it being bad for you an STILL cotinue to do you.. that is a dumb decision..

tom youve always known where I stand on this stuff. its fun ut not worth it.. natural highs is where its at. and no not natural like pot or organics.. love, frindship, doing a good job on something, completeing a project, nice days out side, god.. thats what life should be about.. not intoxicating your system with shit that shouldnt be there so you get a nice "mind opening experience". I can understand why you guys did it only cause I used to.. but its not worth it.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Amazing. I love you guys sometimes. SOMETIMES.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

First of all, are you drunk right now? only excuse i could see with that typing.
Secondly, are you talking about me in this post as Tom?

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

no tom is blue lampshade..

no not drunk just EXTREMELY tired and I type too fast w/o knowing what im doing..

everyone has hated my typing skills on this site since day 1. been banned a couple times for it. Anyway... ill try to type better if i continue to be a member on here. Sound good?

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

I think you can tell who's in this thread to experess their opinion and those who are out to shove their opinion down everyone's throat. Personally I think this is one of the better debates and conversations we've had in a long time where people are sharing experiances, thoughts, and beliefs without use having to shut it down due to outright slander on another member or 50 F bombs being dropped in one post. If you can't agree with what other have to say, just realize that it's their right ot have that opinion and it's your right to have yours. One or the other does not make you retarded.

On that note, I have only tried pot once and that was due to my college roomate being a fucking dealer. I'm glad I never got started on that cause I feel smoking legal shit did enough damage to me over 10+ years. I know a few people that have smoked pot for some time and never touched anything else, and those who have tried just about everything. I don't pass judgement either way as people will be people and there's no way around that. I'd never try this Salvia stuff, just no desire to.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Pot is a gateway drug for some people, just because it is about as low in chain as you can start. If there wasn't pot, then something like acid, shrooms, or whatever would the gateway drug. Some people just can't control themselves though, it wouldn't matter if pot existed or not, they would be on meth or oxy regardless.

It's like calling 16Gs a gateway turbo, they were for a lot of us, but nowdays people are skipping right to 61mm turbos and wanting to go up from there. :) While some people can keep their speed habit under control and stay with a 16G for years.

I don't think bums drink instead of smoke pot because of cost. Pot isn't expensive. $100 worth of pot can last a long ass time. Alcohol is pretty expensive, unless you are drinking Boone's Farm and alcohol and pot are somewhat opposite types of stimulants.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are as much of a drug as anything else. They kill people using them and often end up killing people who don't use them indirectly. But they are already big business and legal, so they aren't considered taboo by our society.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

cigs are gay too.. dont do those :)

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

You completely missed the point of that post Tauni but I guess it's OK since it wasn't directed at you

And one more snide ass remark from an alcoholic harlotte of a teenage girl.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

First of all, he didn't say that no one knew what they were talking about. He just pointed out that the majority of people have a biased opinion of this shit because we were all taught to be terrified of drugs and whatnot in school and 90% were and those people are like "POT IS THE SUM OF ALL EVIL THINGS TO COME" and "YOURE A GAYWAD FOR SMOKING, GO DO SOME COKE NOW RETARD, THE POT WILL LEAD TO IT EVENTUALLY." Just like HaredX said, I too know a ton of people that are fully driven and successful even though they like to get high everyday. Those people dont need to pick up a book do something with their life, they just use their freetime differently. Plus, all of the people that you see that are "stoners that can barely talk, walk, etc." they are the people that are constantly high and need it to function normal to have fun ALL THE TIME; those are the ones that ruin it for the rest of us.

tpunx99GSX, not all people that smoke or use drugs are hippies and think they're just like the people from the 70s' and shit. I don't know of a single person that uses drugs to "be cool." Every single person I know or could ask would think that's just flat out dumber than anything possible. But you have another one of those biased opinions that comes from what we learned in school beacuse we were never taught the REAL FACTS and TRUTHS about pot and whatnot and we were mainly taught stereotypical things. Just because there is a stereotype of something, doesn't make it so and every person god damn well knows that. There are fucking tons of stereotypes of black people, but do we go around and say "Fuck the blacks, they're all uneducated!"? No, because we know that there are a ton that are good people and don't fall to the stereotypes of their race and we even become friends with them sometimes.

And to all of you that like to drink here and there and say "alcohol is the only smart drug," that is just stupid to say when we all know that people die from it everyday and know how addicting even that is; ALCOHOL is a drug too!!! But no, we weren't taught to think of it like that and most people are oblivious to the fact that it wastes away your liver. If alcohol and cigs are so widely accepted and LEGAL with all the cancers and problems they bring, then why isn't pot? Like HaredX said, there is absolutely no negative side effect of the drug on your health, except for the fact that yes, it does decrease your lung capacity a bit and there are those people that can't live without and waste away and ruin their lives. But they aren't getting all the cancers you can get like from cigs or the physical damage that alcohol causes. No drug is a smart drug in any way shape or form fathomable, some are just fun sometimes and in moderation.

I'm not saying that anyone is wrong here, and everyone is entitle to their opinion, I'm just laying it out how I see it.

And finally, all of you fucks stop calling me a dumbass and a retard and whatnot. What the fuck is the "OFF TOPIC" section of the forum for anyway? If you don't like something, then fucking leave it alone and don't be a fucking 13 year old and call people retards and shit like that for what they post. I shake things up, I cross the barrier, I try to get people to talk about different things. I mean, look at this discussion were having now; it's just like being in a debate session and I think that maybe were all learning something here. I didn't post this to piss people off. I am who I am, and I happen to have a goofy outgoing personality, and until any of you actually meet me, shut the fuck up about your opinion about me. I didn't think that posting something I thought to be interesting and funny TO ME would turn into such a shit fest. Like DSMStyle said, this is a good debate and it's interesting to see what people have to say, but don't make things personal guys, were all adults here. If I really was the dumbass stupid retard everone seems to think I was, I would have posted this in something like the "Forced Induction" section and gotten banned. And I'll stop posting things like "PWNeD!!11!!!" and shit just to make everyone happy, even though I find it funny when someone gets shot down in a debate; it's not like I want to piss people off or am trying to be dick on purpose or anything.

I am ready for the shelling on my ass to begin unless no one here is a child anymore.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

No, that is exactly why it isn't a gateway drug. That is the real definition fo a gateway drug, not what the "propaganda" of the war on drugs would have you believe. Alcohol and nicotine are actually more likely to be considered gateway drugs by definition, but since they are legal, you won't hear the government say that.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Exactly my point on all this shit, thank you for saying that.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

you are all so close-minded just like pretty much everyone else I have met except for my good friends, for some reason you all seem to think that smoking pot will ruin your life and you won't amount to anything, I believe I read someone say "you will be the ones cleaning my garbage cans at work" Again, I am a bartender, I make about $150/day doing that and I also own an online company on the side and make $250/week doing that, I smoke pretty much every day of the week and I drink maybe once a week or so and I am doing perfectly fine for myself. I am done trying to show you guys that not everyone that smokes is a low-life loser that won't amount to anything because the majority of you have your heads 15 feet up your asses with the exception of a few, thanks to Docken and DSMStyle for at least being open minded, and the rest of you can just fuck off.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

I'm as open minded as anyone, but it's no one's fault but yours for not being able to stand up to criticism. Do you expect people to accept this stuff with open arms? Hell no! Grow a spine already.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

By no means am I asking anyone to accept my lifestyle I'm just asking that everyone stop being so ignorant and making generalizations. "All stoners are losers who will only be able to get minimum wage jobs cleaning out garbage cans." "Everyone that smokes pot will eventually be addicted to meth and heroine." etc. etc. The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance it is the illusion of knowledge. You all seem to be very good at making it seem that you are knowledgable, however nothing but ignorant gibberish is spilling out onto the screen.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Yea, why do people think that we're trying to get everyone to accecpt that drugs are good? Were merely saying that people need to stop being so ignorant about the subject and maybe they won't feel so negative about it. We don't care that people don't like it, can't do shit about it either, but stop thinking that we want people to accept it.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Alright, well how about this for a chang of pace. My best friend started out smoking pot every once and awhile at parties. After awhile it became an everyday accourance. After awhile he started "experimenting" with other shit. I'd sit and beg him nightly to quit things because I knew it was bad and I knew he was hurting himself. Sooner or later he became very depressed and wouldnt come around any of anymore. I'd stil call him every night and talk to him about his problem but it never helped. One day I got off work and got a phone call from a friend saying he had over dosed on oxy cotin over the night and his twin brother found him dead in his bed.

I'm not saying this happens to everyone, but you wonder why I shove it down people's throats?? I don't give a shit what you do. Pot is fine if you can control it. But it's nothing to go around being like "oh yah I smoke pot, blah blah blah." It's a drug. Drugs are not good no matter how you look at it.

So fine. Go ahead and say I'm shoving it down people's throats to be honest I don't care. But understand that I watched my best friend kill himself doing drugs and I don't think its anything to just throw around.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

HA HA HA, Lampshape, What propaghanda are you talking about? Are you saying that pot is good for you? That it makes you smarter? That it makes you more healthy? Im sorry buddy but it doesnt do any of the things above that is for DAMN sure.
To those saying alcohol is the best drug. By far are wrong. Alcohol and cigarettes are far more addicting and kill far more people.
Face it people, everything in this world is gonna kill us eventually, but how you want to spend the rest of your life is up to you.
Ok you cant talk for the rest of the night, that was just stupid. Your talking about addiction not being a gateway.
Being that everyone has been saying "by definition of gateway drug" i have a strong feeling that the Definition of a gateway drug is getting really blurred in all of this.
So i will give you the ACTUAL DEFINITION of Gateway drug: "DEFINITION OF GATEWAY DRUGS - Gateway drugs are those drugs with which people first experiment, and which often lead to the use of more dangerous drugs. Traditional gateway drugs are alcohol, cigarettes, and marijuana. " - http://www.chdonline.net/drug.asp
There is no "Propaghanda" in that definition what-so-ever.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

+1. No where did we say everyone that smokes pot ends up a low life, but 9 out of 10 are. There were 3 drug caused suicides in my town in the past two years. My good friend from kindergarten/first grade hung him self in his closet, my good friend Zach's best friend hung himself and one of the most popular guys at school hung himself over drug addictions. Dont sit there and tell us we're close minded for not wanting to do drugs, bad shit happens with them. And dont give me that "definition of gateway drug" bullshit. People do it first and go onto the more hardcore ones. Sounds "gateway" enough to me.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Oh, and by the way whoever it was that called me an alcholic. Until you meet me and know that I'm deffinately not an alcoholic, kiss my ass. That isn't anything to play around with either but I'll spare you.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

That was me Tauni, And I have met you multiple times. I was just grouping you into a general steriotype, much like the one you made of me just a few posts ahead of that one.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

I have not met you other wise I would know your name.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Oh, but you have...

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

K well I'm not clogging the thread with this so check your PMS

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Matt D. and Thor I couldn't have said it better myself.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Oxycontin is a pain killer not a controlled substance but nevertheless I'm very sorry to hear about your friend, Tom and I have a friend who got in a really bad car accident and she barely lived and now she has to take Oxycontin to control pain because she lost the part of her spine that normally controls it.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Well its not something to fuck around with. Taking it for medical reasons is a whole different ball game. Taking it to get a high is dangerous.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

I didn't generalize a thing. I have a small handful of friends who smoked pot, and heck I tried it with them a few times but almost got caught so I quit. All of my other friends who smoked it, moved onto acid. Only one of them stopped it and joined the Army, all the others aren't doing well at all. It makes me glad I stopped. Again I don't care what any of you do. I personally just chose not to do it. I'm not saying you're an idiot, I'm not saying think like me, just stating my small experiences with what it did to my friends, and that makes me glad I stopped so quickly, and glad I am not doing it now.

As far as saying that we are the ones generalizing, I am not a "we", and you are doing it just as well saying "everyone on here is like everyone else you met besideds your close friends", or "everyone on here is so close minded", or "everyone on here doesn't like drugs because of propaganda". I have my own opinion, you have yours, and that's fine with me. Some people seem to be getting real butthurt. We live in a free country, everyone can do and think as they please, so who gives a shit if someone else doesn't agree with you. I sure don't care.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

A gateway drug is a drug that's use causes people to move on to harder drugs. People who start out smoking pot and move on to harder drugs is better explained by the age, availability and willingness to use drugs of the individual. For instance, someone who is in 7th grade is probably not going to know much about hard drugs much less where to get them from, but they are going to know about, and where to find pot. If that person is willing to try any kind of drug, they may be the ones that grow up and get into harder stuff, but it's not because marijuana was the gateway to the harder drug use. Marijuana only comes first because it is more available which is where people get the idea that it is a gateway drug, but it really isn't.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

It's not generalizing with 95% of you are acting like that, and also, I said that there are some exceptions in this topic, some being 2 and there are 4 pages of replies so it's pretty safe to say that the majority of you are being close-minded.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

I think he just explained to you that we are not being closed minded. Especially those of us who have reasons not to agree with you. Thats not being closed minded thats learning from others mistakes.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Drugs are bad MMMMkay

http://www.esse.ou.edu/~cwaller/204_mkaymackey.JPG

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Hahaha I was waiting for that to come up!

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Nice, I was waiting for that too. I myself thought about posting that but then I would have gotten a 2 week vacation minimum and a Nazi load of shit dumped on me.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

You have 10 people posting in this thread. 2 of which you say are open minded. Out of nearly 200 people that have visited the site today, read this thread and not I'd say we only have those who have the right to express their thoughts. In this case, you are being just as close minded to their thoughts. Open minds need to see all directions before they become near sighted.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

What propaganda?!?!? Are you fucking kidding me? Haven't you ever heard of the movie Reefur Madness? It's possibly the fucking dumbest movie ever. And there are other moives and they say shit like you'll wind up killing someone or you see yourself as a zombie or a werewolf from merely smoking pot. Granted that Reefur Madness was made in the 30s' but I can guarantee you that the pot they had back then was no where near as potenet and the shit you can buy today, but I'm not going to go into that. I've never hallucinated or come close to it when I smoke and It's never been said either by anyone. Also, watch that Penn & Teller show on HBO called Bullshit about the War on Drugs and tell me there's no propaganda about drugs. Also, I want you to fucking tell how I am saying that pot is good for you, makes you smarter, and makes you more healthy. What the fuck kind of super crock bullshit is that? Looks like you just said "Abrakadabra" and POOF!!! You pulled that comment out of the void of time, which also happens to be your ass. Actually, I've always wanted to see a void in time, what luck that it's in MN.

Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*
 

Actually genius, he lives in California.