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i dont know where he lives, but for this drama, id go. I work with babies and little kids as a carrer it really pisses me off that he used the baby on the way to get help then turned around and threw the money away. Poor kid has a dad like that. I hope mom gives him his first car not dad


woot woot page 3!!!

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i might still have his address from when he sent me some sliders! i will look around..

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thats the mitsustyle i know

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I do apologize for the name calling. I do NOT how ever have his contact info other then his "girlfriends" phone that is now out of service number, and the fact that he met me at a wal-mart parking lot. His phone number would be awesome to see if I could work something out with him. Or, at least get him on this forum to explain why he sold me such a bunk car. I've PM'd him over 20 times, with no response. Back to the name calling- don't take it personally. I'm just VERY upset with this guy, and for some people to give me "smart a$$" comments back just doesn't help the situation roll around. TWACK- You have offered help on my threads, and I have used it. Thank you. But for someone BRAND NEW to the automotive world AND the DSM world, knowing how and trying to do everything by yourself isn't fun after it taking 6 days to drop a tranny by yourself. I'm a really nice guy I promise, You can ask anyone on here that personally knows me, but they will also tell you that you don't really want to be by my when I'm upset or pissed. Once again I'm sorry for the name calling- as it wasn't meant to be a personal attack. It was just me showing and venting.

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i already sent you his number... im working on his address..

edit: no luck finding his address.. :(

Re: Dear twack and albert lea mike and all primo members please post!
 

The fact that you're a self-proclaimed uber-noob means you get to...no HAVE to be extra respectful of the people that are already here, have been around these cars a long time, and guess what, probably experienced the same thing you are right now. New members get flack around here; don't fight it, take it. :)

Also, see what happens when you play nice? Someone is bound to know this guy. Just keep trying and until then focus on getting your nice shiny new DSM up and running in time for the cookout!

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come on nick you need to settle down. I have known you for a long time now since the days of FSL paintball. You should have asked some one that knows alot about dsm's to go with to look over the car. You know I have been building them for a long time all you had to do is ask nate to call me up. I would have looked it over. But in the end not to be a ass or anything you bought a 1800.00 2g and that is what it was in the end. They are not new cars any more they are almost old enuff for collector plates now, and will have problems. I have sank more money than I want to know in my 5 mitsu's that I have right now.

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Yeah I know- I did ask nate, and he said that he would just come with and he did. I let him check out the car and everything and he said that I really got a good deal on this for a 1g, I didn't get a 2g. But anyways, once it broke down nate just laughed and said you shouldn't have bought it man, and that was the end of story, no more help.

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This Nate fellow sounds like a great friend :/

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no joke does he even know dsms good

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yeah- he has had a few in his lifetime and is pretty knowledgeable on them.

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Sorry to hear it's been such a frustrating situation for you. I'm just going to give my honest unbiased feeling on the situation.

Sounds like the seller is somewhat of a jerk, too bad you have to deal with him. But I don't think he is 100% at fault here.

First of all, this is a 1991 DSM, that cost $1800. No one should ever be expecting to purchase that, for that price, expecting it to be some sort of gem, regardless of what the owner said. I purchased my 1991 DSM for $2000. I'm looking at your list of issues, and honestly a lot of what I see on that list, I'm not suprised to see from a fairly stock 1G that simply wasn't maintained too well (which is what I'd expect of any DSM). Can anyone really say most of those issues are total shockers? Sounds like a bunch of maintenance issues that I would expect from an 18 year old vehicle that hasn't had a lot of TLC and attention. Mine had a good 90% of the same issues yours has when I bought it. Plus a bunch that you haven't mentioned.

- brittle wires / wire connectors
- No idle stop switch
- Tranny/clutch issues
- Oil leaks
- Vacuum lines capped off with screws.
- Worn Ball Joint.
- busted exhaust manifold studs
- Injector Seals Bad
- Bad Knock Sensor
- Missing timing covers
- Bad radiator

Yes in a perfect world the seller would have told you all the issues, but not everyone will be that honest. It's too bad, but that's the real world. That's why you inspect it, bring someone with to inspect it, test drive it, etc. Don't get so worked up, it's an old DSM, you just got a crash course on what it's like to own one. You need to get yourself a Haynes manual, and start learning to work on it yourself. If you can't work on it yourself, expect to be dumping a lot of money into it because little things go wrong here and there on these older cars, especially if you go have some fun in them and start modding them.

Good luck though, and if you ever need help ask. We're all here to help, so don't be scurrd to ask for some help.

OK that's it from me :)

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X2 Brandon.


I got my fwd 90 for 1300. In the last 4 years I've gotten a new long block rebuild, new wheels, new shocks and springs, new seats, new gauges, new door panels, new clutch, new tranny, new brakes, new clutch slave and master cylinder, upgraded fuel pump, short route fmic, injectors, maft, motor mounts, and a lot more shit that goes with owning one. And I am now in the midst of tearing it apart and rebuilding it again.


Might I add I'm just now upgrading to a 16g? lol DSM's are a lot of work. Prove that you're a true Dsmer.

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Yeah, I do ask for some help and I get PMS from people saying if you pay for my travel time and 50$ an hour I'll help you work on your car. I really don't need anyone to physically help me, all I need is someone to guide me if I'm doing it right or wrong. I have a chilton manual, and sometimes those are not perfectly clear on what bolt to unscrew and what exactly to do. Sure its easy for people that have been around cars their whole life. I wish I could have been, and I should have been if my father, who was a mechanic, passed away when I was 8. I've always had a passion and love for cars but was never around people who ever worked or even knew jack about them.

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For these cars, there is a TON of info out on the internet. Hell there's a VFAQ on how to rebuild your transmission if you feel you even want to go there. There are tech articles on damn near everything on these cars. Plus a fairly good group of locals that can do a lot of it as well. Just gotta ask.

Good luck man.

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Yeah I agree, but some of it is still confusing to me. I hope I do find someone who is local to me that can help me out every now and then, because that will be perfect. I will never go away from DSM cars now, they're way too fun. You just have to properly maintain them and take care of them and they will take care of you.

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Get a digital camera and post up in the tech section when you have specific questions. That's what it's for :D The camera is for clarification on 'what is this' or 'do I unbolt this or this?' type questions.

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+1 on Halon's point. I thought about saying similar. There is nothing in that list that's a total shocker for any used DSM. It sucks that there are so many things that need to be addressed right away, but even so, it's all mostly routine maintenance for a car of that vintage.

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Well for starteers when i first got my talon i had no clue what a DSM was. All i knew were AWD and turbo so i dropped $2500 on it. Drove it home and that week the brake calipers and rotors needed to be replaced. Then my hood latch failed and i had to buy a CF hood and a new windsheild. the o2 sensor was bad. needed new motor mounts. oil leaks. plugs and wires had to be replaced. my valve seals were bad. oil sender was bad. timing belt was cracked, the worst intercooler piping ever. This was all stuff i found in the first month. It got expensive real fast. At the time i knew only a little and had mechanics do most of the work, Until i got my top end rebuilt then after that i realized if i was ever to have any money i had to lear how to do this. so i sat down and started reading, i read all the time and asked a lot of question. Now 4 years later i can pretty much do anything and everything to a DSM without being worried. It takes time and patience. Make sure you have a daily driver because the DSM WILL BREAK DOWN. it will be a love hate relationship. But before you ask question go on tuners and look at their How tos, half what you ever need will be in there. The other half is usually found at vfaq, after that we can help you with pretty much anything. Dont let the money of the repairs get you down, sadly the best thing is to not look at the receipts, trust me when your where i am the bill gets ridiculous

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I wouldn't say that yet. Some have come to believe that even if you take care of them, they still won't take care of you.

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I take care of mine. And they have taken care of me. :)
I check all the fluids and do a quick visual inspection before I drive the car everyday. It just makes me feel better. If I go a couple days without looking under the hood. It doesn't feel right driving it..

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I may be a lucky one...but the Galant is still doing EXTREMELY well. To my suprise, I dont have major issues as a DD. I'm supposed to have at least 10+ things wrong with my car but it's nothing major to not drive it. pheeww.

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I've daily'd 4 dsm's. Not one has given me any trouble. You just gotta really care for them. Like a child, haha.

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have have d.d. a mitsu since 99. that is all I own that is newer. I always have at least 2 out of the 5 working all the time as d.d.'s for the wife and I

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Not my idea of a good DD. I would rather not worry about it at all. I am more or less talking about modding them. Can do things the "right way" and still end up with plenty of problems. I didn't have a problem using a dsm for a dd as long as it had a 20g or smaller. I have a new civic and would rather have my fun car seperate from the car I drive daily. I know it is not possible for everyone to have a seperate dd though.

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I just do it so I know for sure cause I'm just like that. I'm not saying everytime I pop the hood I see something wrong and need to fix it before I drive the car. It's just my preference. My car is also pretty modified and I have no worries what so ever.

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They require a lot of attention typically. Whether or not that is something you want to deal with as a DD is up to you. TO some it's fine. Others want a DD they don't have to do anything except pop off the gas cap once a week.

THey are fun, but they're old, and things just go bad on old cars.

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You said it just about perfect. After DDing my Talon for 6 months, I went out and bought my WRX for a car I would only have to worry about putting gas in. lol

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I think this guys situation is somewhere in between "tampered with by an idiot" and "just an old car with issues". It definitely was a shady deal either way.

Regardless, people who say old cars will need things fixed are right. I bought a cheap talon, like yourself, a while back. And while the issues it had weren't nearly as bad as yours, I've still spent PLENTY of time and money fixing small things and fixing other things preventatively (such as doing and redoing the timing belt multiple times). It is true these cars are getting really old, and there's just a slew of things that can and will go bad at any moment due to wear and tear on an old car.

Best of luck getting things fixed. You definitely should ask for help around here, there are some VERY knowledgeable folk who can help... though sometimes responses are slim. Feel free to PM me as well, i've been going through and fixing lots of 'old talon' problems so I might be of use.

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This whole thing is why I'm done with DSM's. Some people expect a $1000-$3000 DSM to have all maintenance up to date, new tires, brakes and 170psi of compression in all cylinders. When you buy a fairly popular car at this price range, you better expect that you're going to need to do some work to it to make it reliable. And you immediately baby it home and go through everything and check things like boost levels and tuning, slowly. Doing something crooked like crimping off rear brake lines is totally different, but a lot of that stuff (bald tires, etc.) should be pretty obvious when looking at a car. Welcome to the world of cheap ass junk!

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hahah...so true. And that is why there are MANY hondas on the street. My honda friends still ask me how my car runs...my answer: "reliable, no leaks, and good gas mileage! ;)." i got lucky on this one though.

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Exactly why I hae driven my car 7,000 miles in 2.5 years of owning it haha

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It may take a while but Steve knows what is going on. I loved these cars in the past but I don't care to own one anymore. Spent too many late nights in the garage trying to get it back together and other times watching it sit.

The car will make you a mechanic if you stick with it. I learned alot about cars from owning a dsm but reliability is now of higher importance.

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It's not even so much of fixing it because mine has always been pretty reliable, but little things like tuning and a bad idle make me a little sick of it. Plus, like John I'm ready to move to the next level, something a little more rare and exotic than a DSM. :cheer:

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Let me be the first to say, whatever you have up your sleeve, i get a ride.

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a Galant VR4 is rare.... but it could be exotic. do exotic strippers count if they're in the car??

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I've dealt with having a car have it's fair share of issues within the first couple days. Actually first couple minutes/miles. A ~$2k shouldn't be mint, yet it shouldn't be a complete shit bag. I got my first maroon 1g a total of 20 miles, before timing skipped, and destroyed the motor..yea Steve maintence is key, made me laugh a bit inside to read that. Some cars you just don't know until it comes and bites you straight in the ass. Shouldn't be where you have to take the car apart to find out that the person before you decided that they will toss it together and get rid of it. When bolts are less than hand tight, fluids are not topped off, or filled at all, and you find yourself ready to roll it out on the street and light the sum bitch on fire, you feel pretty ripped off/cheated. Feel ya on this one nick, but it seems to happen too often, and shouldn't be the case.