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It is true the dodge wont hold as well, but the jeeps hold, so thats a plus. Just have to keep the dodge for 10 years lol.

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I agree the Dodge will probably depreciate quicker. But on that same note nothing is going to be immune from depreciation. The Yukon I test drove was a barely used 2014 SLT that seemed to be pretty much fully loaded. It was priced at $34k. Seemed similarly equipped to this new 2014, so it probably had a similar price point new ($50k). That's some serious depreciation. The Durango's I'm looking at are in the low 30's brand new.

I also agree the Jeeps would probably hold their value better too. I just really like the 3rd row and overall increased length of the Durango's better, and at a slightly lower price point than the Jeep too. I do love those GC's though Peter, would be a sweet ride if you picked one up!

http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...2087/overview/

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And oddly, the GMCs have a higher rate of depreciation than the Tahoes, despite being the same vehicle.

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Dem Rayums doe!

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Interesting.

Bobby actually I wanted to talk to you, I have a coworker looking to buy a brand new Colorado. She went to the Chevy dealer in Anoka, got to financing and started to feel like they were being sleezy and giving her the 'stupid girl' t yesterdayreatment, so she decided to leave. Told her I knew someone who could hopefully be fair to her. I think she's going to try looking at one in Forest Lake to see if they treat her better. You work tomorrow, got a number I can give her?

And also, let me know if you get a line on any used 2014 Durango or GC for a killer deal. Or a Lexus GX460, need to test drive one of those yet.

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Here's what I looked at the other day for reference sake.

Used 2014 Yukon SLT, White, $34k
http://www.rosevillebuickgmc.com/Veh...-MN/2346438733

Used 2014 Durango Limited, Silver, $34k
http://dealers.aultec.com/v/?object=...&DealerId=5951

New 2014 Durango SXT, White, $34k (on sale, not the internet price)
http://www.rosevillechryslerjeepdodg...dcf765125c.htm

New 2014 Durango SXT (Rallye), black, $35k (on sale, not the internet price)
http://www.rosevillechryslerjeepdodg...dce0852d6d.htm


The Rallye I really liked how they look from the outside. The used Limited was nice since it had sunroof, leather, flat screens for people in back, and the led eyebrow lights. Not sure what I'd buy now, either Rallye or Limited...

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Those are all super nice! Id go with whatever you feel drives the best and the style you like most. Otherwise very comparable.

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The limited will be easier to sell and likely have a slightly higher value when it's time to sell. Generally a good idea to buy the top package when it comes to resale. Specially when the price comparison looks like your post above. Also, someone else took the first depreciation hit on the limited, you would take the hit on the new car.

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I like the Durangos, that would be my choice for a full-size SUV w/3rd row seating and a decent tow rating.

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We have a denali and a Durango (2003's) and hands down the Chevy is better. I am always fixing the Durango and we hardly drive it. It is going to be sold soon.

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Sounds a lot like like my 03 GM. Just last week I put $450 into it, then $100 the next day, then $150 2 days later. $700 total in 4 days.

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Keep in mind, I just went to a local dealer to check them out and compare them since I really hadn't seen them first hand much before. I'm not buying any of those ones. Whatever I do buy, it will likely be a Used 2014 w/ 20k miles kind of thing. So if I got an SXT, it would likely be in the $29k range. I'm just going to keep a close eye on Cars.com and wait for a good deal to pop up over the next few months.

Still want to test out a GX460 though for comparison. I think I'm taking the VW off my list since it does seem like it could fall under the typical Euro umbrella of maintenance suckage.

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That Yukon is a bare bones SLT, doesn't even have heated seats, so it wasn't $50k new. I definitely wouldn't buy leather without heated seats anyways.

For reference on these newer styles, I've had almost zero problems with mine and I'm approaching 180k miles. I've done nothing but oil changes, changed all fluids at 150k(diffs, xfer case and tranny) and brakes. Even has the original shocks, although I'll be swapping those out for some factory take offs here on Christmas break. It's the most reliable car I've ever owned. I think that's why they hold their value so well, after the initial first year depreciation hit of course.

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I think that's from the style of them. The 99-06 Yukons had better resale than the Tahoes, and the 2007-2014 Tahoes have better resale than the Yukons, minus the Denali. They did restyle the Yukon in 2010 I believe, they looked a little funny at first. Just comes down to which one is better looking.

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Yes it does

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Yea that SLT seems pretty loaded to me, besides nav, rear entertainment and bling rims.

It really comes down to B's moto, to each their own. :)

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So something kind of like this might be something I'd like. Used 2014 SXT with Rallye appearance package (gives it similar look as an RT). Appears to have the upgraded stereo. The one I drove had heated seats and heated steering wheel all activated via the touchscreen, not sure how to tell yet if they all have that with the upgraded touchscreen. Anyway, $29k barely used.

http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...2/overview/#14

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That seems cheap (Haven't been keeping track), that's a nice vehicle.

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Weird, the buttons must be totally different than mine. Doesn't look like it has power folding mirrors either.

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You can see the switch right next to the door handle on the drivers door panel.

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Looks like a nicely equpped car. Couple thoughts... I LOVE my heated steering wheel, eliminates the need for gloves when driving in the winter. It is one thing I didn't care if this car had.. but am super happy it does.

Secondly, something I have observed and like alot. I don't have kids yet, but my wife nannies in the summers. Leather seats are SO much easier to clean up, especially if something spills! Or if they go to the beach and are sandy.

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^ super helpful

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Actually every Durango I test drove (even the base SXT) had the headted steering wheel. I'm not sure how to tell if it has it or not other than ask the seller, but from what I've gathered thus far, as long as you have that upgraded uConnect touchscreen you will have heated seats and steering wheel. I'm not certain on that though, just my assumption right now.

Leather, I'd love leather. The thing is leather was not an option on the SXT. The SXT Rallye exterior wise wins hands down on exterior appearance. The Limited wins on interior (leather) and also has the sweet LED eyebrow things. So I'm trying to figure out which I personally favor.

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Nice! Sounds like you are getting it figured out, nothing something some net research or more test driving will solve

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http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2014/...kages_options/

That website is pretty helpful with figuring out what options include what packages and what cars they are available. It looks like the heated steering wheel is part of the popular equiment group:

Popular Equipment Group - $895
Driver and front passenger seat front seat heated; Steering wheel; ParkView rear cam&radar parking distance sensors; Auto-dimming rear view mirror; Microphone


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2014/...#ixzz3LnRuCUiW

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Ive been looking at the Durango for the past couple months. Looking to make a purchase in january after the spending season gets over. Really excited for the durango as it fits all of the must haves. If i go with an older one, like a 2011-2013 model i will be looking at the Crew minimum trim level. The 2014 SXTs are nicely equipped so if i decide to go that route it will be nice to save some coin.

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You guys seen 0% for 72 months on all 2014 Dodge's?

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I would see how much of a rebate you are required to give back. Often times 0% offers are in liue rebates. This can be great for people who are just on the lower end of the credit cut off. But if you have rock star credit, 0% is often times just a gimmick to get people in the door. With 750+ credit you'll typically get a rate low enough to outweigh the rebates you have to give back.

However, if it's a true 0%, no rebates to give back, that's fucking baller!

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I don't know anything about that shit, I'm poor and buy busted old vehicles.

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Thanks for the links Rosey. I think all Limiteds came with heated steering then too. One Con I think i may have found about the Durango is the "AWD" system. I need to research it more, but someone told me its not really awd. Its rwd where the fronts kick in once it detects the rears spinning. Not sure I really ike that.

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That's how most suvs are these days unless you get push button 4wd like in a truck or awd like in a suby or audi. All computer controlled and usually fwd and rears kick in one it slips. Unless you are going rock crawling or whipping shitties you probably wont even notice.

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I heard its the other way around, rwd then the fronts kick in, which would be similar to the Auto setting in my Envoy. I dont like it for snowy days because you start slipping and sometimes at that point its already too late on a rwd where the ass kicks out when it slips, i have a new front bumper that can attest to that. Fwd and the rears kick in I wouldnt mind as much. Next test drive ill really have to try the "AWD" out.

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Wait for a snowy day and then go test out a durango in it haha.

But yea a lot of the smaller suvs are based off FWD and then add power to the rears to give it awd when it slips. A lot easier to control thats for sure, versus like the voy would be - rwd and then kicking in the fronts. Thats how my dads tahoe was and I never had any issues driving with the auto mode on.

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My rwd does just fine! More stable than for example, an escort with blizzaks and some weird rear hub bearing grinding noise.

It's all in the tires. And the snow mode. Helps people like me with a heavy foot in a pissed off mood during rush hour traffic in the mornings. Consider it the moosah button and not the snow button.

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My Tahoe is the same RWD with the fronts kicking in as needed.

My tahoe is RWD and will kick on the front wheels needed in Auto 4WD, in 4Hi it will lock all 4 wheels, but I've been told to only use that on truly slippery surfaces.

Last night I had to try hard to get my Tahoe to get a bit sideways and that was that corner coming into my hood from radisson where it is a sharp turn carrying a good amount of speed and the whole turn lane was covered in snow/ice.

Don't over think it, basic AWD capability and good tires you will be just fine.
Cooper Discoverer ATW is what I just got a 50k mile tire designed and rated for snow and year round use. Def. feels like a snow tire to me, esp compared to the old Michelin LTX M+S.

Those new Durango's look peemp.

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Agreed with this. I would have to think the Durango borrows an AWD/4x4 system of some type from either Ram or Jeep. Even if it is a similar system in design to your Envoy, the technology just keeps getting better and faster.

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Yea im thinking maybe something is wrong with your Voys 4wd, maybe its not kicking in as it should. Regardless, RWD is doable in the winter as well with good tires like has been said. Need more racer driver practice, hit up some empty parking lots lol.

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i believe my yukon denali was the same way. RWD until it sees slipping then goes to awd. The worst thing about that system was the fact that the traction control was horrible, basically if it thinks you are sliding, it essentially applies the brakes. (or so it feels like)

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The electronic solenoids in the transfer cases go bad in those smattrac type systems. If you go to a parking lot and do a full lock turn and it's locking up automatically and can hear the tires chirping. The solenoid is bad. I think? I don't remember but check trailvoy.com

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Most cars are like that Tom... lol thats what traction control is. Applies brakes where it needs to, disables power to whatever wheels are slipping and transfers power to those that grip. True 4WD will be locked diff style, like in 4Hi or 4Lo, but systems that are not locked will disengage and engage as needed.

I always turn off traction control on snowy commutes, much more fun to drive and also more predictable imo.