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Fucking awesome! :eek:

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I just want to clarify. Someone earlier posted that pot isn't addictive. This is entirely wrong. Addiction is really an odds game. Some things (nicotine, opiates, etc...) are highly addictive. A large number of the people who use them risk addiction. Others (alcohol, marijuana, etc...) have a lower chance of causing addiction, but still can.

I've seen a lot of drug use in my life (some of which has been my own, though not for a looooong time). I've seen plenty of "hard" and "soft" drug use and none of it has been benefeicial to the user. Drugs are a drag on the users life. The more you use (any drug) the more the drag. It does not necessarily mean you will become a fuck-up or societal mooch. It does, however, mean you will likely not reach full potential. It could be a near trivial difference in the long run or it could ruin your life. It depends on the person, the drug, the frequency, etc...

To get back to the addictive aspects of Marijuana. My brother is without a doubt addicted. He cannot spend any lengthy period of time without it. He cannot face reality without it. My father was an alcoholic. It is my belief that the same tendancy towards addiction is the driving factor in both cases.

For those trying to justify alcohol as better in some way (and commenting about how "retarded" Salvia makes you) just do a search for drunks on video. Or better yet, hit up a frat party.

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:( Shit, my bad.

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Way to be observant Tauni.

And +1 to what DSMstyle said. I was thinking about that today at work. You are shooting down our views just as fast as we are shooting down yours.

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We aren't shooting down your views at all we are shooting down your close-mindedness, not once have I said drugs are the right thing and everyone should do them I'm just saying stop being so ignorant towards our views.

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Yeah Hared, you are ignorant to our views as well, we see drugs like this salvia as a total waste to make someone look and act REALLY stupid. and i dont have a single doubt in my mind that this drug will be illegal soon. Anything that makes you act that stupid is a waste in my mind.
We arent close minded, we just choose not to join the nation of burnouts and drug addicts.
I chose to quit doing drugs because I have better things to do. Im not close minded i just care about my life thank you.

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First of all, the thing you are calling a gateway drug actually doesn't really reinforce the gateway theory, but they stepping stone theory, look it up sometime, interesting read. The gateway theory basically says that people don't do coke or heroin without first trying "lighter" drugs like alcohol or marijuana, but can stay in a stage of just use of alochol, or marijuana. The stepping stone theory is more in line with what you are saying, in which the different drugs represent stones in a river, and once you start you have to keep going one way or the other, either toward hard drug addiction, or sobriety. The way most of you seem to be describing the whole gateway thing is making it into a very black and white issue, when there is really just a whole shitload of gray.

Secondly, you picked a definition of a gateway drug that follows your argument, and happens to side with the "war on drugs" because the government never lies to us or anything...

Anyway, here is some information I found interesting while looking up information on gateway drugs.

Q: Does marijuana lead to the use of other drugs?

A: Long-term studies of high school students and their patterns of drug use show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana. Using marijuana puts children and teens in contact with people who are users and sellers of other drugs. So there is more of a risk that a marijuana user will be exposed to and urged to try more drugs. However, most marijuana users do not go on to use other illegal drugs.

from www.mentalhealth.com

STUDY SAYS MARIJUANA DOES NOT LEAD TO HARD DRUGS

WASHINGTON ( Reuters ) - Countering a basic principle of American anti-drug
policies, an independent U.S. study concluded on Monday that marijuana use
does not lead teenagers to experiment with hard drugs like heroin or
cocaine.

The study by the private, nonprofit RAND Drug Policy Research Center
rebutted the theory that marijuana acts as a so-called gateway drug to more
harmful narcotics, a key argument against legalizing pot in the United
States.

The researchers did not advocate easing restrictions in marijuana, but
questioned the focus on this substance in drug control efforts.

Using data from the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse between 1982 and
1994, the study concluded teenagers who took hard drugs were predisposed to
do so whether they tried marijuana first or not.

"Kids get their first opportunity to use marijuana years before they get
their first exposure to hard drugs," said Andrew Morral, lead author of the
RAND study.

"Marijuana is not a gateway drug. It's just the first thing kids often come
across."

Morral said 50 percent of U.S. teenagers had access to marijuana by the age
of 16, while the majority had no exposure to cocaine, heroin or
hallucinogens until they were 20.

The study, published in the British journal Addiction, does not advocate
legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana, which has been linked to
side-effects including short-term memory loss.

But given limited resources, Morral said the U.S. government should
reconsider the prominence of marijuana in its much-publicized "war on
drugs."

"To a certain extent we are diverting resources away from hard drug
problems," he said. "Spending money on marijuana control may not be having
downstream consequences on the use of hard drugs."

Researchers say predisposition to drug use has been linked to genetic
factors and one's environment, including family dynamics and the
availability of drugs in the neighborhood.

Study done by RAND, their website is www.rand.org

Here is a metaphor for what I am trying to explain, and shows how people misunderstand what a gateway drug really is.

A similar statistical relationship exists between other kinds of common and uncommon related activities. For example, most people who ride a motorcycle (a fairly rare activity) have ridden a bicycle (a fairly common activity). Indeed, the prevalence of motorcycle riding among people who have never ridden a bicycle is probably extremely low. However, bicycle riding does not cause motorcycle riding, and increases in the former will not lead automatically to increases in the latter.

from www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org

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the addiction to pot and salvia comes from the lifestyle. end of story.. its not a physical addiction but more mental.

pots fun.. end of story..

its stupid but fun.

salvia i not going to lie has tempted me for a long time.. why? cause its legal and a trip.. oh well not going to happen.. not falling back into that..

ANYWAY.....cars>drugs. ftw

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Salvia won't be illegal for a LONG time, it has been around for years and years and people have always known about it, the problem with making salvia illegal is that the plant can be used for other purposes such as incense whereas marijuana only has one use. Salvia is sold at pretty much all nurserys and many people grow it in their gardens, there have been plenty of attempts to make it illegal but it will never go through. Also, show me one post where I said that everyone should agree with my views on drugs, it doesn't exist, the only thing I have complained about in this whole argument is that everyone is being so stereotypical and close-minded never once have I said that you guys are stupid for not liking drugs. So you can keep saying that I am being ignorant to your views but you have nothing to base that argument on.

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HaredX-

So you say that Pot isnt addictive yet you smoke it everyday? Or were you talking about Salvia? A couple pages back you said you smoke pretty much every day....

That got me thinking... I sure do enjoy alchohol but I certainly dont hit the bottle everyday or even during the week at all. So why do you smoke everyday? Pleasure? I dont know about that, seems like your self control is overpowered by your "habit" of smoking... to me thats an addiction.

And unless your a pretty hardcore alchohol drinker nothing near as bad will happen to your liver compared to smoking really anything.

I see you as being ignorant because you seem to think smoking is not bad for you.. Smoking anything is bad. Theres asthma, and allergies those are just the beggining.. cancer, lung disease... blah blah...

I dont care if other people smoke stuff, so there I am open to that, but smoking crap to act retarded is just dumb... Not even achohol seems to affect people like the vids posted on page 1 of this thread.

Also, do you smoke with more than just you in the room? Because if you smoke alone then that is not just a "fun" thing, because people who drink alone are alchoholics. To me if you do it while hanging out with friends or at partys etc, makes it seem like a social thing.

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I never smoke by myself, I smoke every day because I enjoy the relaxed state of mind I get while I am high. Smoking pot is not known for causing cancer, it can increase your risk for cancer, but like I said earlier NOBODY has ever died directly from smoking pot. My smoking has nothing to do with addiction, I know this because I had to quit for 6 months once because I was getting tested at work and I did it without a problem, I never slipped up, never fiended, I can stop whenever the hell I want for however long I want but I do it because it is enjoyable. I am fully aware that smoking pot is bad for you but compared to alcohol, tobacco, etc. it is nothing. And if you haven't seen people act like the videos tom posted or worse while they are drunk, you must never have been around a drunk person, I've seen people throw up and drink it and shit on people's front yard and that is FAR more retarded then I have ever seen someone on salvia act.

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Haredx: Stop calling us close minded. We've already over ruled you on that one so get the fuck over it.


This areguement is retarded. Drugs are dumb and lead to bad things. Like death. I think we should have left it at that.

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A bunch of close-minded people saying that I am close-minded is not being overruled it's just another example of the ignorance that exists in this world.

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But where do you stand on alcohol??

I mean, its a drug, legal to people over 21, that increases the risks of many cancers, can cause cirrhosis of the liver and many other bad things (including death), is proven to be more physcially and psychologically addictive than mary jane, not to mention the whole overdose factor in which alcohol is far worse than weed again.

I'm not saying drugs aren't dumb, meth, coke and heroin are all terrible, but as far as I am concerned, mary jane is basically booze you can smoke.

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Don't you all know that anything that feels good or tastes good is most likely bad for you. Who gives a fuck what it is, if you do it enough its going to have lasting effects on your body. And another thing that goes hand in hand with having fun or feeling good is that it costs quite a bit of money.

In my opinion sex is the worst drug out there. Since only one person can give it to you and that person knows that. So they can use every means in the world to take all of your money and freedom before they give it up. And when its all said and done your broke and just want to take a nap.http://www.tcstangs.com/forum/images/smilies/nod.gif

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Haredx: You don't know how to read do you?

Blue89Quest: Very good question. As I've said before, most things are ok in moderation. I didn't want to get into alcoholism but I will just to make my point stronger. I guess my big thing is, as long as you don't let yoiurself get to the point where it takes over your life and begins to ruin your body faster its ok. I drink. It's fun and I life to have a good time. However, my mom, step dad and biological dad are all alcoholics. I've seen the negative affects drinking can have on you. I've watched alcohol tear my family apart several times, but then again its all inw hat you make of it.I believe if you subject yourself to letting it become so much a part of you that you let it hurt those around you as well as yourself, its wrong. I completely agree with you that marijuana is a lot like drinking in the sense that it doesn't hurt yoiu physically as bad as other drugs, but is still harmful and addictive, whether it be mentally or physically. And like I've said before I will smoke the occasional pot just because its fun every once and while. It's the same with drinking; I will party and drink to have a good time. But once these things become a habit it's no longer fun and becomes wrong. I deffinately do not agree with addictions.

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hahah thats girlfriends.

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God this thread sucks. HaredX: We are all closed minded. Thank you for pointing that out in all 14 of your posts. Feel free to end the e-masturbation session whenever you feel like it.

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Wow, this is a crazy thread.
Smoking stuff is just not my thing.
Beer is the way to go!

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.....smoking stuff and alcohol is same shit in my opinion. Just that smoking stuff is riskier than alcohol. Both messes with the mind and all. I prefer alcohol. Its cheaper, easier to control, and easier to make certain that its safer. Plus tastes better.

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I've never seen a mind-fucked alchoholic. Any of my friends that smoke pot regularly for a few years are already a lot slower than they used to be. Alcohol isnt much better than weed, but atleast with alcohol you cant really drink yourself stupid.

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[QUOTE=sleepy2lazy].....easier to control, and easier to make certain that its safer. [QUOTE]


Not entirely true, I'd say. I would say comparing when I have drank to when I have smoked, I have less control when I drink. I have only blacked out once drinking, but I still have much less control, and don't know as much of what I am doing. When I smoke, I always know exactly what I am doing and have never forgotten what I did while I was high.

For example, driving. You should never drive under the influence of either, but when you have to, its much safer to drive high than drunk. When you are high you are more alert and you are more focused. When you are drunk you are swerving and just all out retarded. So I don't really agree with this statement.

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How do you figure?? I know of at least half a dozen kids from my college that had to go to the hospital, or that died from alcohol poisoning last year alone. How is that any safer than pot?

The dangerous thing about pot isn't the drug, but the black market behind it. 99% of the problems with weed would go away if they sold it at liquor stores to people over 21, and had the same rules as far as DUI and whatnot. That gets rid of the drug trafficking across borders, gets rid of drug dealers, etc.

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That's the ticket! Let's lower the crime rate by making all the illegal things legal!

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Where did I say anything about making all illegal things legal? I said pot should be sold like alcohol. How would it be any worse, seriously, I really want to know how.

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Blue is exactly right. Does anyone recall prohibition? When they made alcohol illegal the mafia started bringing it in illegally which caused the crime rate to sky rocket because they were killing off anyone that got in their way, then when it became legal again it cut out the black market and crime rate plummeted. Not only is it more safe to drive under the influence of pot, you can't overdose from pot like you can from alcohol so why should pot be any more illegal than alcohol? It shouldn't. The government could sell marijuana, tax the hell out of it and raise money for anything we need instead of spending BILLIONS of dollars trying to prevent it.

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While we're at it, let's adopt Colombia as our 51st state to really bank on the deal!

And why spend money on getting therapy for rape victims and prosecuting their offenders, let's legalise that too. They got my vote! I'm telling ya, the answer is to just make illegal things legal, and we're set.

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Let's try this one more time, I didn't say lets legalize everything. I said lets treat pot like alcohol, with rules for consumption and sales. Please point out some reasons why we should not.

And this time, try not to say "Yeah, lets legalize everything OMGWTFBBQ!!!11!" because that argument really doesn't get to far.

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Don't even try Blue, everyone here is so stuck on being right about everything that they put words into everyone's mouths to better their argument. They took me saying that I smoke pot and have 2 successful jobs as me saying that everyone should smoke and love drugs

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If you legalize pot then people will only turn to something else that is the "cool" thing to do... like meth.

Mexico just adopted a whole crapload of drugs as being legal over there... so take a road trip ;)

And I still think smoking is wrong and wont open up to it being a "good thing."

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Yup, you're right. No question about it. You see things so clean and clear you should run for political office.

I just don't get how you call everyone close minded, but yet your mind is just as closed to everyone else opinions. If this is all you wish to argue over just leave and forget the web address.

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Well, then we should make everything illegal, and then the cool things will be alcohol and cigarettes, since the only reason people do hard drugs is because those are legal.

You don't have to like pot, or think that drugs are good, but there is a big difference between drinking or smoking pot, and stealing TV's to buy crack. I would definately have to disagree with your idea that the only thing that is keeping stoners from turning into crackheads is the fact that pot is still cool because it is illegal.

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they wont legalize pot because they make more money off it being illegal then if they made it legal and everyone knows it..

I will admit it would be safer and a better decision.. but only for those who smoked it.. people who dont dont care about curruption and bad deals. They dont care your nug has worms in it or is laced w/o telling you. They dont care about shit. For the people who smoke pot or only dont because its illegal it would be great because MUCH safer, no ripping kids off for amazing amounts, grow quality would be greater and more consistent. Would be nice. Should just be legal to grow :) the plant i find VERY pretty if you know what your doing and have the rght strain. Anyway.. car forum talking about drugs.. your not goig to get the results your looking for. Peace..

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oh ya you people on here COMPLETELY blowing stuff out of proporion is fuckin childish. theres a point and you guys are just being rediculous and you know it. not funny though.. sorry.

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Just stop smoking stuff and drink more!

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With alcohol the person consuming it, in a responsible manner, is the person who's getting the buzz or getting drunk off of it. With pot, its smoke and smoke doesnt just stay in one spot. Everyone in the area might get a little high off of the smoke when they dont want to, but they have no choice. If you make pot legal just like alcohol and go to a sports game there will be people drinking and smoking pot and blowing the smoke into the air where hundreds of people have to deal with the smell. I know I wouldnt want my kids being around pot, especially at a sports game. Plus I'm sure Congress doesnt want to see people "choking" up on city streets. The SuperPower nation of the World....smoking it up. :s lol.

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I think this thread killed any shot we had of landing that big sponsor some knew about. LOL!

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[QUOTE=T-T-Tauni][QUOTE=sleepy2lazy].....easier to control, and easier to make certain that its safer. Sure alcohol is easier to control. If your just smoking to take a hit, how far can you control the high that is messing you up. If your drinking, you can limit yourself much easier by taking less.

Your example isn't really making your point clear.

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You see, those kids that went to your college etc.. that you pointed out abused it. From what you say, looks like your coming from the side of alcohol / pot being abused.

As i said, Alcohol is easier to make certain that its safer.
The Marijuana that people smoke, buying it off the streets. Who knows where it really came from? Them drugs aren't as clean as the alcohol that comes from the factories.

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Stupidest sentence I've ever read. At this exact moment we are spending $24,826,170,739 to make it illegal, how in the hell do you think the government is making more money then they are spending?

First of all, if you know anything about pot you know that you have to be EXTREMELY close to someone smoking it in a horribly ventilated area in order to even get remotely high from second-hand smoke. Secondly, second-hand marijuana smoke is FAR less harmful then tobacco smoke yet tobacco is legal. And your sporting event analogy is just retarded, tobacco isn't allowed at a sport stadiums and I'm sure marijuana wouldn't be either if it were legal, there are ways you can control it if legalized that would be much more cost-efficient and safe then keeping it illegal.