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FattyBoomBatty 04-06-2009 10:48 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Well, I was going to get some tuning done tomorrow, but there is still way too much to do before then, so I cancelled. But at least I got the catch can shit done.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...m/DSC02652.JPG

Thanks Scheides for telling me where to get this thing.

123abc 04-06-2009 10:57 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Looking sick. So about 500 ft/lbs and 360 hp? lol

MustGoFaster 04-06-2009 11:24 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
That's gonna be one fast forklift!!!

FattyBoomBatty 04-07-2009 12:55 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
lol. Someday. Not tomorrow, that's for sure. The radiator leaks, the lash needs to be adjusted, the clutch pedal needs to be adjusted, I need a few random hose clamps, I need to put on the flywheel rock guard plate, I need to reinstall one front coilover and fix another, need to put the trunk interior back together, etc. There's a lot of stuff. But, I have to say, setting up the appointment made me bust my butt. It's a lot closer than it might have been.

Kevin 1G Drummer 04-07-2009 01:37 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
So set another appointment and bust out the rest of the essential stuff, then take care of the non essentials after that. :)

turbotalon1g 04-07-2009 08:41 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
whats the ETA on this friend? I want to see this car.

goodhart 04-07-2009 10:20 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Wow, theres like a bagillion hoses comin off that catch can! Whats the one going into the air filter for?

It's looking good though!

FattyBoomBatty 04-07-2009 10:54 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
That's for a little suction. It's pretty much the only outlet for crankcase pressure. In the future I'll give it a buddy and maybe do a pan-e-vac in the exhaust. That's if I determine that there's little to no oil coming out the top side port.

Aaron, I'm not sure when I'll get a full tune, but it won't be long. A few more weeks I'd say. 1-3 maybe.

niterydr 04-07-2009 12:50 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Looking closer!

FattyBoomBatty 04-09-2009 09:42 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Dirty, and I tried a new radiator plug, It may have fixed the problem.

It needs a couple more little things, but at this point they are almost non-issue things like interior bits.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...m/DSC02662.JPG

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...m/DSC02663.JPG

http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...m/DSC02664.JPG

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Halon 04-09-2009 09:51 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
sweet!

FattyBoomBatty 04-09-2009 10:03 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
I pulled into that parking lot and this lady with like 3 or 4 rug rats playing on the playground was staring at me like I was satan or something. Probably thinking, "damn loud ass car, get out of here before it explodes and kills everybody!"

FattyBoomBatty 04-23-2009 12:31 AM

Re: Dyno Day Graphs, Pics and Vids! Post them here!
 
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/...m/DSC02683.JPG

This is me on the 20th. Big thanks to Shane at DB for tuning it. I will be headed back once I get an idle control motor hooked up somehow.

turbotalon1g 04-23-2009 12:57 AM

Re: Dyno Day Graphs, Pics and Vids! Post them here!
 
^don't forget that shifter boot!!

scheides 04-23-2009 09:36 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Moved these from the old dyno day thread you posted in....that thread was for the dyno day from who knows when! LOL!

So, how much boost is this? Pump gas still? Looks like good power to me!

FattyBoomBatty 04-23-2009 09:49 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Oh, haha. My bad.

Kracka 04-23-2009 10:14 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Looked good last night!

scheides 04-23-2009 10:20 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
What about boost and whatnot, details man details!

FattyBoomBatty 04-23-2009 10:56 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
It peaked at 17.5psi right at redline, but it was pretty steady from when it spooled to redline. There was pretty much no knock on the dyno, and the only problems were that the injector clips (plugs) were popping off.

It's funny now, but on the dyno, when that happened it sounded like a really bad misfire, then when it came to idle it sounded exactly like a WRX. I heard that sound before when I blew my engine, and the plugs that most easily came off on the dyno were the same cylinders I had major damage to. So I think I found the main culprit of engine destruction.

I wonder if it'd do 20psi on 92 octane. I guess I don't see why not since it didn't show signs of problems other than the clips. But as you can see in the graph, the head really doesn't like to flow much past 5500rpm or so. Maybe I'll pull a Ben Stiller from Happy Gilmore and tell it, "you will flow more, or I will make you flow more."

scheides 04-23-2009 11:53 AM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
20psi should be no problem. 3psi on that turbo might yield you another 40whp, so it'd probably be worth it :)

turbotalon1g 04-23-2009 12:30 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
^exactly what I said.
then I told him, don't stop at 20psi. 23 or 24 isn't unreasonable.

scheides 04-23-2009 12:54 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 287607)
^exactly what I said.
then I told him, don't stop at 20psi. 23 or 24 isn't unreasonable.

Ya, but that's based on your DSM experience. How much boost you can run on pump is directly related to how efficient the rest of the setup is. Maybe the quest head will limit this, maybe not. I just think if guys run 25psi with these on dsms and evos, a quest should be able to do at least 19 or 20.

One step at a time though, glad its running, now keep it that way! And get some freaking tie-downs on those injector clips! LOL @ subaru comment! :D My car is running like ass, sounds JUST like a scooby...bwahahaha I luv it.

FattyBoomBatty 04-23-2009 01:56 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
The emergency fix on the dyno was zipties for the easy-to-access injectors and a piece of heater hose ziptied to another heater hose wedged over the clip on the #4 injector.

"I'm the dude playing the dude acting like another dude."

Halon 04-23-2009 04:47 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Now I know who to call when I need a vehicle to tow a boat :)

Car looked good yesterday man. I need to get a ride in it one of these days. +1 for more boost! Maybe even a little E85 for good measure :D

Kevin 1G Drummer 04-23-2009 05:10 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
The torque on that thing is crazy! I'd definitely not hesitate to throw a few more PSi at that thing.

Shotgun! 04-23-2009 05:19 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
What is your compression ratio?

FattyBoomBatty 04-23-2009 06:32 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
8:1

New injector plugs/clips are on. There is a little hesitation right when you tip into the throttle like when you're taking off, and kindof a miss or something if you dip too quick while driving. Not big problems though. It pulls cleanly.

goodhart 04-23-2009 07:21 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Nice dude, you have big enough injectors for some E85? That thing would own on teh corn!!

Shane@DBPerformance 04-23-2009 08:09 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Don't get too carried away with the boost. It's hard enough to run 20+psi of boost on pump gas with DSMs at 8.5:1 or 7.8:1, and often when you can, you have to pull out so much timing that it makes the same power it did at less boost. A DSM is not an Evo and a Starquest is not a DSM. Evos heads, pistons, combustion chambers were designed to handle 19psi stock on pump gas, DSMs only needed to handle around 12psi.

Shane@DBPerformance 04-23-2009 08:12 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty (Post 287678)
. There is a little hesitation right when you tip into the throttle like when you're taking off, and kindof a miss or something if you dip too quick while driving. Not big problems though. It pulls cleanly.

The accel fuel probably needs more work. We could play around with it on the street some night. It's usually hard to get all the accel fueling transitions perfect on the dyno, especially with AEM EMS Mustangs and Vipers.

FattyBoomBatty 04-23-2009 08:56 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
No rush, I like it very much as is. The injectors are only 750's so I don't know if I could even get the same power I have now on e85. They were at 53% duty cycle, so if 30% DC translates to 30% more fuel, I suppose I could get about the same numbers with corn. So, it's a big meh right now.

I can smoke m3's now so that's pretty good! Plus Aaron said he thought it felt like a 16g car, haha. I guess it does spool up pretty quick.

turbotalon1g 04-23-2009 09:21 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Spool isn't bad and the TQ, i miss the TQ.

123abc 04-23-2009 09:45 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Going to take a video? :)

FattyBoomBatty 04-23-2009 09:51 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Yeah, maybe saturday or something. Unless someone has some free time tomorrow. :)

niterydr 04-25-2009 12:07 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Awesome to see it got tuned!

FattyBoomBatty 05-17-2009 09:35 PM

Project: license plate relocation.
 
http://www.dsmstyle.com/photopost/data/529/DSC02742.JPG
http://www.dsmstyle.com/photopost/data/529/DSC02743.JPG

Oh yeah, much better like this. I used a spare license plate I had sitting around to make the bracket. Pretty much everyone has seen the old location, so I won't post a picture, but it had been like that for years after getting a no front plate ticket in porky's. I wish I didn't have to have one, but at least this time I didn't drill any stupid holes in the car.

Super Bleeder!! 05-17-2009 09:54 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
sweet sleeper man! I could only get away with 17psi on 92 on shanes dyno with my dsm, so dont feel too bad.

FattyBoomBatty 05-17-2009 10:13 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
hmm, interesting. Well, I will go back again some time for more power, maybe e85, but I'd like to see if I could go with 20 psi on pump. And thanks to the mod who moved this to the right place. :)

Kracka 05-17-2009 10:15 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty (Post 291381)
And thanks to the mod who moved this to the right place. :)

You are welcome dude.

FattyBoomBatty 10-05-2009 03:04 PM

Re: Turning my quest into a dsm.
 
Ok, been a long time since I posted in here, but I've learned many things since then, figured alot of stuff out and I am formulating a plan for what's next.

Here's what has happened since the last post:
1. I redid the catch can setup and I could feel the difference in the upper RPMs and it now just catches oil, it doesn't mix it with condensation formed in the upper tubes. The rear tube (clear home depot one) is just a road draft style tube now.

2. I got a job, and got it switched over to e85. I made 363whp and 395 lbs of torque on monday, then the next saturday on MAP's dyno I made 20 hp less and 30 lbs less. Who knows exactly why, but I'm leaning towards a loss of head gasket integrity. It was spewing coolant out of the rad. cap on DB's dyno, and the clutch was slipping, so we called it quits that day. But now I can't get on it without having coolant come out from somewhere. I tried a new cap, and it just squirted out somewhere else.

3. I've parked it until I figure out exactly what was happening.

So with that said, here's what I have in store this winter:

1. The head's coming off anyway for new valves. And why not oversized stainless steel valves?

2. A new cam, either a 292 or 296 or combo of 292 intake and 296 exhaust. Both grinds provide .465" of lift, combined with my 1.4:1 rocker arms to equal .650" inches of lift, haha. I can has lopey idle? With this comes an adjustable cam gear and getting it all degreed properly.

3. Depending on what's reasonable and realistic, I may o-ring the head. It seems like all the 500whp and up g54b's are doing it. Just can't get their heads to stay clamped on the gasket well enough. I dunno.

4. new SPEC stage 3+ clutch good for low-mid 500 torque capacity.

5. bigger injectors. It's hard to make 500whp with 750's on e85. 1200's maybe?


So that's all I can think of right now, but I guess the stock tranny is like glass above 450whp, so I may have to get a supra w58 trans. I guy makes bellhousings that bolt to the wideblock and use the stock flywheel and clutch. but I guess when I get it all done and together, I'll buy a tranny blanket before a new trans. And for tuning, maybe put a 1/2" thick steel plate between the legs and the trans tunnel, haha.

I'll update as I purchase and install parts.


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