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mlomker 05-09-2011 08:02 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
I go a point lean without a shield on the intake but my O2s are disabled so it can't adjust.

410 on pump would be pretty crazy.

Murlo26 05-09-2011 10:02 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Very nice Scheides, glad everything is working out for you. Can't wait until you switch to E85, this setup will shine even more!

You going to rev to 8k on this setup always or just for now?

scheides 05-09-2011 10:23 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
8000 is plenty for the street, I'll prolly do 8500 for the track, maybe higher as needed. Revs and engine longevity are directly related so part of me wants to keep the revs down but the other part of me wants to just use what I've built for things of awesome :D

Murlo26 05-09-2011 10:26 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
You are a stronger man than I for resisting the revving...your car also works still so you might be on to something :)

The black really needs the extra revs though I think makes the transition between shifts way way better.

Does the bbx stumble at all shifting at 8k? I know my red almost stuttered at the stock rev limit.

mlomker 05-09-2011 10:36 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 382967)
Does the bbx stumble at all shifting at 8k? I know my red almost stuttered at the stock rev limit.

Edit: I usually shift sooner than that, now that I think of it. It's hard to explain but it has always 'felt' faster to me to upshift than to wind it out. I have a natural tendency to upshift as soon as the dyno chart flattens.

goodhart 05-09-2011 10:42 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
:drool:

Wow, I never thought I'd see the day when scheides had a built motor, 1680's, etc haha!

Can't wait to see what this bish does on E85!!

scheides 05-09-2011 10:42 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Nope, BBX I can shift at 6500 and the car is still plenty fun/fast. Half of the fun of having a super wide powerband though is just cranking on it and reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvving it out faster faster faster woaaaaahooo! So yea I get what you mean revving higher.

The one thing I really want to work on the next time I go to the drag track is revving first gear higher. I think I could have picked up another tenth and with the extra power now it'll take some getting used to, but I have the valvetrain to do it now so why not. Also I was always scared to rev it too high for autoX but with the low gearing of the X I was sometimes hunting for which gear to be in; I think having a setup made to rev higher will make decisions like that easier, not to mention having more down-low torque thanks to the cams!

scheides 05-09-2011 10:44 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 382970)
:drool:

Wow, I never thought I'd see the day when scheides had a built motor, 1680's, etc haha!

Can't wait to see what this bish does on E85!!

Heh, all I want is a healthy motor, a safe fuel, and a good tune. I don't think my priorities have changed that much, just those times ya know...they are a changin' :P

scheides 05-11-2011 09:34 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Well I think I've settled on 1.39*stock maf for about perfect scaling for my car and the 3.5" maf. Ironically:

area of circle: pi*r*r
inner diameter(stock): 2.8" (r=1.4)
inner diameter(primo): 3.3" (r=1.65)

area (stock) = 1.4*1.4*3.14 = 6.15 sq inches
area (primo) = 1.65*1.65*3.14 = 8.55 sq inches

conversion ratio (primo/stock): 8.55/6.15= 1.39

Others had told me 1.5 so I went with 1.48 to start....gah.

Anyways, been playing with boost. Goal is to peak to ~26psi and hold at least 25psi at 8000rpm. It's *not* perfect, but I'm getting there :) This is after about 3 revisions of testing.

http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/e...fter-35maf.jpg
(note: these pulls were started around 5000rpm, just for testing upper rpm boost...full pulls I will do when road conditions allow)

This is using my hybrid setup: hallman MBC inline with pierburg 3-port bcs. Seems to be working nicely :)

mlomker 05-11-2011 09:45 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 382971)
I think having a setup made to rev higher will make decisions like that easier

The back straight at BIR could be run in 3rd to redline or it's a very brief shift into 4th before downshifting again. I usually upshift since my issues have made me disinclined to really thrash on it. I suspect it'd be faster there to let it rip, though.

Murlo26 05-11-2011 10:12 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 383108)
Well I think I've settled on 1.39*stock maf for about perfect scaling for my car and the 3.5" maf. Ironically:

area of circle: pi*r*r
inner diameter(stock): 2.8" (r=1.4)
inner diameter(primo): 3.3" (r=1.65)

area (stock) = 1.4*1.4*3.14 = 6.15 sq inches
area (primo) = 1.65*1.65*3.14 = 8.55 sq inches

conversion ratio (primo/stock): 8.55/6.15= 1.39

Others had told me 1.5 so I went with 1.48 to start....gah.

Anyways, been playing with boost. Goal is to peak to ~26psi and hold at least 25psi at 8000rpm. It's *not* perfect, but I'm getting there :) This is after about 3 revisions of testing.

http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/e...fter-35maf.jpg
(note: these pulls were started around 5000rpm, just for testing upper rpm boost...full pulls I will do when road conditions allow)

This is using my hybrid setup: hallman MBC inline with pierburg 3-port bcs. Seems to be working nicely :)

So are you running the MBC from the 3 port to the wastegate? In an attempt to get more WGDC that way? Just trying to understand. I was considering doing that to try and hold some more boost after 7600rpms...or however I would need to set it up I guess, never got around to looking into it.

goodhart 05-11-2011 10:29 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Looking good man. So you're running 26-27 on pump gas? or has the E85 conversion started?

scheides 05-11-2011 10:33 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
It's still plumbed exactly like this:

http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28224

BCS goes between the outlet of the MBC and the WGA. The sole purpose of this is to help eliminate boost taper that a MBC sees, and *hopefully* more boost = more whp but that is not always the case. We shall see come saturday :D

scheides 05-11-2011 10:34 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 383118)
Looking good man. So you're running 26-27 on pump gas? or has the E85 conversion started?

Not till next week, the new injectors are still in a box on my workbench. Yes this is just pump gas.

scheides 05-13-2011 08:16 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
So, Primo came through for me with a last-minute surprise for the dyno day:

Introducing the Primo Performance 2.75" Evo X LICP
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...4123.sized.jpg

This is the coldside pipe on the X, wrapping around to the TB
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...4124.sized.jpg

The stock pipe is decent and I made great power on it, but I can't help but notice there's some subtle niceties that I really really like about this new, slightly bigger and smoother-bending pipe:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...4126.sized.jpg

Mates right up to the 2.75" OD of the TB:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...4127.sized.jpg

Utilizes stock mounting bolt w/ stock rubber mount:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...4128.sized.jpg

Fits perfect! Comes with t-bolt clamps:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...4130.sized.jpg

Got the factory air scoop to fit too!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...4134.sized.jpg

Driving impressions:
holy hell, I honestly wasn't sure it'd make much of a difference. I was plesantly surprised to say the least! Off-boost in the 2500-4000rpm range the car feels more responsive and when boost kicks in I feel a definite bump in torque in the midrange!

The car feels great overall and while the boost curve is still not perfect, I'm able to hold 26psi at 8500rpm. PS I raised the rev-lmiter :)

http://scheides.com/misc/pics/evox/e...af-8500rpm.jpg

See all tomorrow at DB!

mlomker 05-13-2011 09:40 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Nice looking piece.

Kracka 05-13-2011 10:30 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Very cool, hopefully they get one to me too sooner rather than later since I also have an upcoming dyno-day!

Murlo26 05-13-2011 10:31 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Nice, can't wait to see what you lay down at DB tomorrow. You aren't going first are you? I don't want to get up that early haha.

scheides 05-13-2011 10:40 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 383445)
Nice, can't wait to see what you lay down at DB tomorrow. You aren't going first are you? I don't want to get up that early haha.

11am too early? LOL whatever dude!

I will go when its my turn, whenever that happens to be. Might be at 11, might be at 3, might be at 7pm, who knows.

Murlo26 05-13-2011 10:45 AM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
11am is early when you are up until 3am or later.

I'll have to do an early friday tonight...must see dynoing.


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