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Re: 2G auto S/A daily

I don't think that it SA class anymore sir.

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Just got these off MAP's site.

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Stock Appearing (S/A)

Heads-Up, Pro-tree (.400) class for 4 cylinder stock appearing turbocharged or supercharged, street driven, oem frame import/sport compacts with full interior and full exhaust.
*Turbocharger or supercharger must be OEM based or a similar to OEM turbocharger.
*Common cars in this class would be WRX, Sti, Evo, Cobalt, Eclipse, Talon, and others.

Tires: DOT approved radials only. *100 treadwear or higher.

Exhaust: Full exhaust required, must exit behind rear axle.

Body: Bumpers can not be removed. *Doors must open and close from inside and outside the vehicle. *No lexan allowed. *All body panels must be run.

Chassis and suspension: All vehicles must retain factory chassis. Vehicles must maintain stock drive configuration. *Wheelie bars and straight axles prohibited.

Engine: Limited to 4 cylinder engines. Engine manufacturer must match chassis manufacturer. *Aftermarket camshafts, valvetrain, rods, sleeves, crankshafts, pistons, allowed, but must look stock externally.

Modifications: *Front mount intercooler allowed, aftermarket BOV allowed, upgraded piping allowed.

Mass airflow sensor: *Factory mass airflow cars must retain a MAS/MAF from OEM manufacturer, in front of turbo. *Cars may be converted to speed density for actual engine management, but OEM similar MAS/MAF must be on car, it does not need to be plugged in or functional. *Removable MAS/MAF sensors(Evo X, Subaru, etc) may be moved into larger pipes. *MAS/MAF sensors from different cars from same manufacturer may be used(Evo or 2G MAS on 1G DSM for example).

Wastegates: *No obviously visible external wastegates allowed. *Mostly hidden wastegates are allowed(External wastegate on uppipe on Subaru for example).

Intake manifold / exhaust manifold: Must have stock appearing intake and exhaust manifolds (Swaps between generations allowed). *Aftermarket exhaust manifold allowed, if it can be hidden with a stock heat shield.

Nitrous: *Nitrous allows on supercharged cars. *Not allowed on turbocharged cars. *All nitrous components prohibited from turbocharged cars even if bottle is not present.

Superchargers: *OEM appearing supercharger allowed. *Internal upgrades and porting allowed.

Turbocharger: *Single turbocharger. *Turbocharger must be a generally accepted “stock frame” turbocharger. *This would include stock turbochargers that came on the car, stock turbochargers with upgraded upgraded wheels or housings, or aftermarket turbos that emulate the mounting style and appearance of the stock turbo(For example MAP EF3, CBRD BBK, FP Black, Blouch Dominator 3.0XT). *Turbo must mount in oem location. *Turbo swaps from different cars made by same manufacturer allowed(VF39 from STI on WRX, Evo 3 16G on 2G DSM, etc). *Rotated turbo setups not allowed. *A factory exhaust manifold/up-pipe must be able to bolt to turbo even if factory aren’t used. *A factory downpipe/O2 housing must be able to bolt to turbo even if factory aren’t used. *PTE and Bullseye or similar Mitsubishi exhaust housing turbos not allowed. *61.5mm maximum turbocharger compressor wheel inducer size. *3.40” maximum size turbocharger inlet.

Lights: Headlights and brake lights are required (one headlight may be removed for induction).

Windows: All windows must be OEM glass.

Interior: Stock dashboard and full interior from front seats forward. *2 front seats and interior panels required. *No rear seats ok. *No gutted cars permitted. *

Trans/Clutch/Shifter: Shifter must be H-pattern. Strain gauges are prohibited. Air shifters and electric shifters are prohibited.
Manual or Auto transmissions are permitted.
Sequential transmissions are prohibited.
The use of slider, adjustable, or slipper style clutch prohibited. Three discs maximum (any type of disk material is permitted). Clutch must be manually operated by driver’s foot.

Fuel: Gasoline and E-85 permitted. *Methanol injection permitted. *Methanol in main fuel tank and E98 not allowed.

Fuel System: Electric fuel pumps only are permitted. Aftermarket fuel cells are not permitted.

Stock Appearing Unlimited (SA/U)

Heads-Up, Pro-tree (.400) class for 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder bolt-on style turbocharged cars. Turbocharger must use a stock style flange for that manufacturer.
*Common cars in this class would be GTR, 3000GT, Supra, 300ZX, WRX, Sti, Evo, Eclipse, Talon, and others.

Tires: Any size DOT radial tire is permitted. Slicks up to 26” tall.

Exhaust: No restrictions.

Body: Bumpers can not be removed. *Doors must open and close from inside and outside the vehicle. *Lexan allowed.*

Chassis and suspension: All vehicles must retain factory chassis. Vehicles must maintain stock drive configuration. *Wheelie bars and straight axles prohibited.

Engine: Limited to 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder engines. Engine manufacturer must match chassis manufacturer. *Aftermarket camshafts, valvetrain, rods, sleeves, crankshafts, pistons allowed.

Modifications: Front mount intercooler allowed, aftermarket BOV allowed, upgraded piping allowed.

Wastegates: External wastegates allowed.

Intake manifold: *Any style aftermarket intake manifolds may be used.

Exhaust manifold: *Any style exhaust manifolds may be used with stock frame turbochargers like those allowed in the SA class. *Only cast exhaust manifolds are allowed with non-stock frame/stock bolt pattern turbos like those from PTE or Bullseye.

Nitrous: Allowed.

Superchargers: *OEM appearing supercharger allowed. *Internal upgrades and porting allowed.

Turbocharger: *Single or twin turbocharger. *Turbocharger must use an inlet flange that would bolt to a factory exhaust manifold. *This would include stock turbochargers that came on the car, stock turbochargers with upgraded upgraded wheels or housings, or aftermarket turbos that are meant to bolt to a factory flange(For example SCM50, MAP EF4, CBRD BBK, FP Black, Blouch Dominator 4.0XT). *Non OEM location mounting allowed. *Turbo swaps from different cars made by same manufacturer allowed(VF39 from STI on WRX, Evo 9 turbo on 2G DSM, etc). *Rotated turbo setups allowed with stock frame turbo. *A factory flanged exhaust manifold/up-pipe must be able to bolt to turbo even if factory aren’t used and turbo isn’t in factory location. *A factory downpipe/O2 housing must be able to bolt to turbo even if factory aren’t used. *PTE and Bullseye or similar Mitsubishi exhaust housing turbos ARE allowed, but must use a cast exhaust manifold. *Single turbo 61.5mm maximum turbocharger compressor wheel inducer size. *Twin turbo 53.5mm maximum turbocharger compressor wheel inducer size. *4” maximum size turbocharger inlet.

Windows: Lexan allowed.

Interior: Gutted cars permitted.

Trans/Clutch/Shifter: Shifter must be H-pattern. Strain gauges are prohibited. Air shifters and electric shifters are prohibited. Manual or Auto transmissions are permitted. Sequential transmissions are prohibited.
The use of slider, adjustable, or slipper style clutch prohibited. Three discs maximum (any type of disk material is permitted). Clutch must be manually operated by driver’s foot.

Fuel: Gasoline, E-85, and E98 permitted. *Methanol injection permitted. *Methanol in main fuel tank not allowed.
Fuel System: Electric fuel pumps only are permitted. Aftermarket fuel cells are permitted.

Re: 2G auto S/A daily

That's what I'm thinking. I pm'd tachyon to see if this would still be SA/U. I know forsure if I run the 18g cover SA is out.

Tachyon is running the downfiring on his car and he runs unlimited class.

18g Comp cover does have a mitsu symbol on it if that counts for anything.

I'm gonna talk with Shane to and see if we can max out the 16G cover and do a second tune with the 18G cover.

I'd like to see what this hta68 does back to back on the dyno to but funds aren't there to be screwing around right now.

Goodhart I believe the weight savings was around 20-25lbs so $1 a lb doesn't sound to bad.

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Re: 2G auto S/A daily

So reading those rules I fall in the SA/u if I run the 18G cover. Which is fine by me!

I wanted to run the GTRs anyways ;)

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You'll be fine in SA/U.

Our cars are setup so similar it would be a good fight.

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The pro-tree is pretty gay with an auto though, I hope you are able to get up on that stall lightning quick!

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Thanks for confirming tachyon. I just have an end goal of having fun with it. Don't really care what class I end up in.

Yeah the pro tree sounds dumb. Maybe that rule will change. I'm also not running a stall in my car so gotta see how much Boost I can build by just holding the brakes. If its not good ill get a restalled one from ipt.

If I do end up in SA/U though this bish is going on an expensive diet. Lol

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Omg, dude it takes a bit to get it to get up there. Stall it!

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No restrictions on exhaust for SAU, might as well do a dump right off the o2 housing! You can gut the interior too, and Lexan is allowed. :D

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Yeap might have to take map up on getting a mandrel bent side exit fabbed up.

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Originally Posted by tehehodi (Post 429671)

Omg, dude it takes a bit to get it to get up there. Stall it!

On the white car with a 16G didn't seam like it took that long. But the tree is fast once the both staging lights come on.

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Just make sure that you stage first. That's what I've always done

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It won't take any time with a 2.4 don't worry.

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Originally Posted by 4seasons69 (Post 429677)

Just make sure that you stage first. That's what I've always done

True

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 429680)

It won't take any time with a 2.4 don't worry.

Your probably right.

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Originally Posted by CornFed2.4 (Post 429681)

True

Your probably right.

Turns out actually owning an automatic and racing it a bunch and using a stock and a restalled converter that I have a clue. :blind:

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 429684)

Turns out actually owning an automatic and racing it a bunch and using a stock and a restalled converter that I have a clue. :blind:

;)

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It must of been that blown t25 haha. That pro tree comes down fast though! Maybe to much going on at once for me. :shrugs: good luck either way and are you still married? Haha. How many dsms is it in your yard now?

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That means that you could run a 3052 or something, that would be sick!

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Originally Posted by CornFed2.4 (Post 429675)

Yeap might have to take map up on getting a mandrel bent side exit fabbed up.

Did you buy an SRT-4?

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Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 429692)

Did you buy an SRT-4?

haw haw haw.

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Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 429692)

Did you buy an SRT-4?

They run there's out the front of the rear tire. Mines gonna go out the front bumper. But I get what your saying.

Probably save 30lbs in exhaust though.

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Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 429669)

The pro-tree is pretty gay with an auto though, I hope you are able to get up on that stall lightning quick!

I actually liked the pro tree for auto. I just let the other car go in first, light the first set of bulbs, build boost, then bump the car into the second beem and be ready to go. it also kinda messes with the other driver since they have to sit there and wait for you to fully stage.

This car is going to be a beast

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Thanks Carl. Definetly good advice forsure. Gotta see if your willing to help me setup the no lift to shift in the car. Ill even drive to ya

Also picked up speed density on the cheap. Thanks polarisamsoil!

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Originally Posted by carltalon (Post 429700)

Interesting.

The motor doesn't pull through the brakes after you built boost? Or are you pulling a ton of timing to be able to do this?

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Question wasn't directed at me but this was my 16g auto experience.

Usually all you need is a good set of pads and the e brake to hold the car on a stock size turbo.

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Originally Posted by CornFed2.4 (Post 429707)

Question wasn't directed at me but this was my 16g auto experience.

Usually all you need is a good set of pads and the e brake to hold the car on a stock size turbo.

Carl's on an EF2, though. I figured that would be enough to overpower the brakes.

My 6266 pushes through Wilwoods at 9psi, curious what it would take for my car. I probably only make what he makes down low.

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I don't think there's an ef2 on the market for Dsms yet. Think he's still on an ef1. Not that it matters ef1 to ef2 still bigger thank a 16G.

On my old white auto I could build 18 psi before the brakes even started to make a noise like they wanted to move.

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Hey another guy with an auto chimed in!!

Mine would push thru about 20psi, but I'd rather think about it in terms of TQ. That would be about 37x+ wheel TQ the brakes would get tough to push.

Get it running and we will get it figured out. Vacuum pump will make it easier.

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So this fat ass auto has now officially gone on a diet.

Things I did when I swapped the interior over to black

-sound detening
-removed some random stuff from behind the dash

Maybe 30-35lbs

Things I just picked up

-Corbeau seats (super light)
-aftermarket wheel (no airbag)
-pulled passenger airbag
-replacing glass in sunroof with carbon fiber

Those 4 items should be around 120-130lbs in weight saved

16x7 kosei k1 weigh 15.5 so that's a 6+lb savings over stock

20lb total rotating weight.

Not sure what stock starting weight (3400?) is but if I can get it closer to 3200 with me in it I'd be happy.

Ill add pics tomorrow

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I was 3170lbs on the scale at bir 2 years ago. I'm sure you are around 3k or under

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Pull front and rear crash beams? A/C? Could maybe do the rear seat belts too since no one can really fit there anyways haha

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Joel the autos start out more than the manuals. Not sure what but ill look it up

Goodhart

-front and rear crash beams are gone
-ac gone
-non abs car to start
-power steering deleted
-seatbelts in the rear are not installed
-no speakers or radio

Bet that stuff above is another 60-70lbs I forgot about.

Thanks!

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Don't forget the spare and jack, that is a good 30 lbs.

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Wow, you have a decent amount taken out already! Need some more carbon fiber now!

Otherwise, I'm not sure how much you want to leave in it, but floor mats, trunk carpet, privacy cover, lighter battery, blower motor, heater core, fog lights, electric windows for cranks, washer fluid reservoirs, fender well plastics, aluminum radiator, any extra left over wiring may all be possibilities.

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-Spare tire area stuff is all gone (tire,fluid,jack ect)
-aluminum radiator with pushers fans done
-fog lights
-floor mats
-trunk carpet
-rear seats (when I go to the track ill take out at home)
-privacy cover (track day)

Also gonna pull out the front and rear wiper assemblies
Smaller battery
More carbon to come come working with a guy on tuners now for a hood and hatch combo. Just gotta make sure he can have it here in time.

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Ill be in SA/U now for sure. Time to beat up on some GTR's

Just ordered a SMIM

Almost ready to bolt up the trans so then I can drop it in.

Injectors will be here tomorrow
Rail will be here Wednesday
SMIM will be here Thursday

So can't see why it won't be running by the weekend.

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Looks like a solid list of weight reduction!

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This makes me want to put the Legacy on a diet, but I still like the idea of having seating for 4 in a sedan. lulz.

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Nice! What smim did you get?

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Damn, I'm excited to see how this car runs now!