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Didn't realize you bought one, pm sent!

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Yeppers, drove it to work today where I had access to lots of long straights on the way in and it feels much faster then before.

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So after talking with two guys at work about my car and whats been going on with it.

One of them mentioned that I should probably change my oil with all the rich a/f its possible i was getting blow by and could have mixed some fuel with the oil which would lower the viscosity.

Any rate its a cheap precautionary measure. So my question is what oil and filter to use now a days?

Previous owner said he only ran valvoline vr1 20w 50w. Didn't mention a filter though.

Is this the correct oil to be using? I know ive read that is the correct oil for the hp we put out now adays, but just wanted to verify

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That's a fairly heavy race inspired oil. If this thing is going to see the track a lot, run high engine oil temps with back to back runs or constant road course driving, then yeah I can see running an oil like that. On a car that you're going to start up regulary on a brisk morning, drive it to work in back, maybe do some spirited driving here and there, I personally wouldn't run that. I still run 5W-30 in my car. I'd stick with something in the 30-40 weight range. Filter, just get something like a Wix or Napa Gold.

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I am just wondering about the 95+ heat here everyday. And then my coolant temps being over 206 constantly. (Im working as much overtime as I can to speed up the process of fixing the coolant issue)

But for this next oil change would it make sense to stick with the 20-50? Or just switch now?

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Like I said I would not run 20W-50 in a daily/street driven DSM personally. I run 5W-30 in mine, and mines a summer only driven street car here. If you're concerned about the higher temps, then like I said consider going up to say a 5W-40 or 10W-40. If you're really wanting to make a science experiment out of it, get an oil temp gauge as that will be the best tool to tell you what weight to get for your application.

Remember that your oil doesn't even get to operating temp until you've been driving say 20-30 minutes under normal conditions. So if you're just taking 20-30 minute trips, your oil is barely even making it to it's operating weight anyway.

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95% of the cars on the road today - in the arctic to the burning heat of the equator - run either a 20 or 30 weight.

I think you need to figure out why your car runs at over 206 degrees constantly.

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Sounds good to me and not trying to make anything more difficult.

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Already have am idea on that, and its the fact that 1/2 of the coolant lines are gone. And the water pipe behind the turbo is just welded shut at the end so its not a flow through system there, instead it just hits a wall and then has to reverse course I guess causing extra time getting heated by the turbo.

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Oil can take a lot higher temps than that, and unless you're just racing, the 20w-50 would be useless. Get a good 5w-30 (or 5w-40 if you insist on the heavy weight). Redline motor oil is very good, but expensive ($10/qt).

Edit: there is no way the water pipe is just blocked off. Maybe the turbo water lines are blocked off, but not the end of the water pipe. I can't even see how that would work.

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I couldn't agree more. Your coolant gets up to temp about 10 miles before your oil will. My current commute is 7 miles one-way and the coolant is up to full temp after about 2 (210-220F), but the oil never gets there (full temp on my oil is 220-230F). The C7 Z51 holds 10 quarts, but it does have a heat exchanger that warms the oil with hot coolant.

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What? The end of your water pipe is the return to the radiator, if you don't have that, I'd drop your car off at the previous owner's house immediately, because he's a moron.

Getting rid of the heater core is no big deal, I didn't have one for years, never had a temp issue.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...oseRouting.jpg

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I think he meant the portion that connects to hoses 36/37 in that pic is blocked off.

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Here are the picts of what im talking about. And I haven't asked Shane Phillips personally but previous owner said shane did this to the car.

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The end of the water pipe (red picture) is welded shut. The other picture is the weld of the thermostat housing that is actually on the car.

To be honest I havent even followed the coolant lines to see how its all done. Been so focused on tune issue. (I may talk like I multitask but reality is im pretty single minded till a task is done)

I have already inquired about replacing all the coolant system so its reverted back to stock and all the parts aren't even $120 from the guy in north carolina. this is on my to do list like stated several times.

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Here is the picture of the lower radiator hose... found a pict I took the day after I got it.

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I must have clearly missed something here the thermostat housing in the diagram doesnt look anything like the one in the picture of my car? Or am i just not seeing it?

Is the one on my car from a different year or something?

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I'm currently at USCA for another week. If you want another pair of eyes on it, hit me up. I've got everything with me for tuning besides a tactrix.

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120 for what the water pipe and t.stat housing. If so that is a total rip off. I have them posted in my clean up sale for 30.00

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what youve pictured is that the turbo water feed system is capped off. why? the holsets don't use water jackets.

this will have no bearing on the problems you're having whatsoever.

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$120 is for every part that would be needed to replace the entire system minus radiator

(Heater core , thermostat housing all the pipes etc, and actually looking back at his pm. That also included all the windshield washer items I want to put back on the car... rear wiper, front nozzels , etc)

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We were talking about what could be a reason for my coolant temps being so high.

And I mentioned that water pipe being welded shut at the end. And that's where we are at now in the discussion of how would that even work?

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Still to way much money. He would be ripping you off big time

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Hey Brian, Here is what I do have in black. Would you pick these up or have them shipped?*

Black Dash w/ Black Airbag and Vents $125
Lower Door Trims $30
Center Console $50 (complete)
Windshield Washer Tank $30
Rear Wiper Motor and Blade $30
Thermostat Housing $25
Water Pipe $20
Heater Core $25

I do not have a red 2g front bumper. Which year do you want?*

I do also have doors for $75 each or $50 for bare shells.*

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Hook up the heater core. Turn fans on with link (comes on with key) get a 160 t.stat. Better mix of coolant and some wetter water

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Those are the prices he quoted me sorry for double post this phone sucks.

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Just find a u pull it yard.
The last black dash I sold for 50 with the bag. They are not that hard to find as people make it out to be.

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So far if everything goes to plan. I should have the money for
-mishimoto thermostat
-mishimoto fan shroud/fans
-mishimoto 1.3 radiator cap

The week after the 4th if my schedule comes out with more overtime here at work ill probably jusy hold off and add the mishimoto xline radiator as wellr and do the purchase all at once.

This car is a replacement for a motorcycle that I drove leas then 4 times a year sold it and basically bought this car for the same price except airfare and gas to get home. If this car sits like the bike its no biggie to me.

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Im officially done with this thread, so scattered, not taking any advice, good luck sir.

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I agree he just happened to have a lot more stuff I wanted on top of that list (that's 1 of 7 lists I sent him)

So to save time in was just going to head to one placenand get it all.

But am waiting for him to find black panels and door trims and rear seat before I head there

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How so? Im listening to everyone's advice.

-Oil type...check 10w-30
-Coolant system.....check
replace the broken heater core, hook up all coolant lines, fans on via link, water wetter, im upgrading all the parts you listed other then water pump for now. I will do everything just takes time even if the car sits but everything you all have suggested is on the list)
-Oil cooler....check..... will dive into this if the coolant issue persists but id imagine there is something else wrong if its not fixed at that point (motor issues would be my guess)

Dyno tuning - definetely not close to ready for that way to many issues to make it worth the price at the moment

-pull a part... makes sense I just happened to like to one stop shop. If the prices are close enough to other places. Then so be it if not of course ill just keep looking?

-wideband sensor , still working with on this with ecmlink forum, once it'd made official that it needs replacement that will be replaced with everything else from map. For now im doing everything im being asked to do by jery1234 on there.

Have I missed something else?

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And Halon, i just want to say again thank you and thank you to everyone who's chiming in and answering my questions and giving me constructive advice.

I hope you all will continue to chime in even if its only when I finally start making progress on fixing all this stuff.

You all are an extremely valuable resource of knowledge and I am grateful to have that knowledge at my disposal, if im making a blatant mistake on something or have miss understood your advice please tell me.

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holy balls this thing is still going? wasn't this car done and ready to go? Maybe i'm assuming things here sorry just don't have time to read after seeing halons post.

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Well over the 4th, since I was banned decided to swap out thermostats for stock one as well as 15% coolant, distilled water and water wetter and did an oil change.

To start with found the thermostat in there was basically there for the gasket there no middle section you could see straight through (basically center was removed) I have picts but will load them when I do my build thread.

Only drove the car in town short distances and coolant temps were around 206-216

However first trip to work today and a 22miles trip. By the time I got to work and let it idle temps wete at 226 again. So lools like a radiator is next.

And we'll would say I would order it this week only now the motor in my X5 is out yet again after 29,000 miles. Warranty was for 25,000 go figure as thats just my luck.

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Sounds like the previous owner was aware of the high coolant temp issue if he already gutted the thermostat. Hopefully a new radiator helps...and good luck with your X5.

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Thanks, im pretty sure im just going to unload both my bmws and get a truck for the wife.

Her 740 now has the same vanos timing system check engine light my x5 had when the motor went oit the first time. only this one is pulling a code for both not just one. I cleared the code friday and it came back this morning. Supposedly its a $2200 fix for a car not even worth $3500.

Btw doesnt scale there parts like the rest of the car companies it seems.

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Update - ordered up my first parts from map yesterday.
xline radiator and mishimoto radiator cap.

With it raining a lot lately outside temps have been in the high 80's and in turn my coolant temps have been anywhere from 193-206 cruising all week. But I know its not even the peak of the warm weather yet here. So I went ahead and ordered it up as august usually is the hottest time of the year with regular outside temps over 105+ and I know that is just going to put the car back to where it was with coolant temps.

I also found a guy selling a gForce carbon fiber hook never installed here locally (20miles from my house)
I did a quick search and cheapest if found them for was $600 and I believe it was vibrating listed it as $1000 (did the search a few days ago)i know I was reading a thread a few days ago from dsmwreck where they were looking into hoods for the white 2g.... what would be a good price for that hood?

What he emailed me for asking price is almost borderline to good to pass up kind of situation. I planned to replace my hood this coming tax season as the edge of mine looks like it was dropped or something and is bent. So before I get paint I was going to replace or have to have it fixed.

If it wasn't for his asking price I wouldn't even normally consider it till I got a few more things for my car that normally would taken priority

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http://www.carid.com/1998-mitsubishi...-13005974.html

Here's a link to the hood in question

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http://www.andysautosport.com/mitsub...r01020559.html

Same hood only different company/price.

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Can you just make a build thread already?

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