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Fucking bullshit.

Can't tell you the last time the Pledge of Allegiance said "under Allah".

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Here's a great example of what's wrong with Obamacare.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/smal...change/?hpt=C2

I swear sometimes I really think they are trying to kill small business and self employed entrepreneurs.

I'm self employed and am my own LLC. So I guess this means if I go to Office Depot for printer ink, I've got to issue a 1099misc to them?

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$600 of printer ink, then yes.
For people who don't want to read, this is the juicy part:
Such bullshit. This thing needs to be repealed already.

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Yeah, I forgot about the $600 limit for not doing it. But if you buy anything substantial, $600 is easy to get to. Example, laptop, desktop PC, office laser printer/copier, software, materials, etc.

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This is going to cost everyone from small single employee businesses all the way up to the huge corporations tons of money/energy. This "healthcare bill" is going to be the demise of many companies and our economy as we know it.

How much more shit is buried in this bill that nobody knows about yet?

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This is the final step for the government to take over completely...once it all collapses they will just subsidize everything and we will officially be communist. They have slowly but surely been taking over..enjoy capitalism while you can, its almost gone.

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Just imagine, every single time you have a company outting that will just be another tax form to file, and another for that venue to process!

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How about this?!?!?!?

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/sur...ax-in-history/

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Jesus H. Christ... Why did people vote for this guy again?

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Because he's going to bring change

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You mean receive change... all of ours. And then some.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRYAqekvj4I&feature=player_embedded&hd=1

:lol:

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:rollinglaugh:

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Finally, some action being taken.

Rehberg Sponsors Bills to Repeal & Repeal-Replace Obamacare
Cites Public Outcry Against Bill, Bad Policy of the Bill and Negative Economic Impacts of the Bill

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Montana’s Congressman, Denny Rehberg, responding to overwhelming public outcry has cosponsored H.R. 4972 which would repeal the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” and H.R. 5424 which would repeal the bill and replace it with the Republican alternative that he supported when the health care bill passed in the House. Rehberg has consistently stated that, while health care reform is absolutely necessary, doing the wrong thing would only make things worse.

“Since most of the provisions in this bill don’t even kick in until years from now, we’ve still got time to fix health care with common-sense solutions,” said Rehberg, a member of the Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee. “The bill we’ve got now is so bad, even its supporters are holding their noses, promising it’s just a first step toward some future reform that allegedly would lower costs and increase access. Well, it’s a trillion dollar step in the wrong direction and one we can correct right now.”


Read more: http://rehberg.house.gov/common/popu...nt&itemID=1499

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...nate-approval/

Let's just keep bypassing the system to get what we want.

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To be fair, every president has had this power and has exercised it to some extent. But to do this when he and the healthcare reform has been under fire from day one can't help his approval or the people's view of this administration.

I'm getting sick of the brute force tactics.

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It wasn't needed. The Republicans wanted to have the hearing two weeks ago. Obama and the Dems blocked it on purpose so Obie could do this. They don't want this guy to go through the confirmation process because he would get grilled on his past.

So much for fucking transparency!!

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Why do we even have a house or congress? Everything/one is just getting forced through anyway.

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That's what happens when you have a dictator for a president. :madashell:

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Go go universal healthcare! Oh, wait...

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Do...-98202569.html

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It's only the beginning.

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Anybody really surprised? And this isn't coming from Fox News as so many like to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/he...3&ref=politics

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Zn5uDOE-S5Q/TC...3331303030.jpg

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1-eBz8hyoE&hd=1

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...n-hassett.html

Here's a chart of your new health care coverage. Anybody besides me see a problem?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Zn5uDOE-S5Q/TF...re%20chart.JPG

Here's the link for the image so you can read it:
http://www.house.gov/brady/pdf/Obamacare_Chart.pdf
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press..._hc_chart.html

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You mean aside from the fact that it will probably be so complicated shit will take forever to get done. Also so expensive to pay all the people involved that taxes will rise even more!

Or the fact that it is just a shit system perhaps, where everyone has coverage but no one has good coverage. Just a way for the dems to convince the poor people to vote for them again. They aren't paying any more money, why would they care, and they get something they didn't have, a little coverage.

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Reading the article is seriously scary.

"The new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, six regulatory systems, six compliance standards and two entitlements."

"Getting that massive enterprise up and running will be next to impossible. So Democrats streamlined the process by granting Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius the authority to make judgments that can’t be challenged either administratively or through the courts."

"The Congressional Budget Office predicts that premiums for a small number of families who buy their insurance privately will rise by as much as $2,100."

"To pay for this expansion, the bill takes $529 billion from Medicare, with roughly 39 percent of the cut coming from the Medicare Advantage program. This represents a large transfer of resources, sacrificing the care of the elderly in order to increase the Medicaid rolls."

"For all this supposed reform, you, the American taxpayer, can expect a bill to the tune of $569 billion.

Front and center among the new taxes is the 40 percent excise tax on those lucky people with so-called Cadillac health plans. The higher insurance costs that are driven by the government mandates will push many more ordinary plans into Cadillac territory.

If the idea of taxing people with coverage deemed too good doesn’t bother you, maybe the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income will. That will apply even to a small number of home sales, those that generate $250,000 in profit for an individual or $500,000 for a married couple."

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Pretty much, all of the above. ^^^

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More states standing up for themselves! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...rance-mandate/ Time for the states to all start suing the federal government!

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Don't forget this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...enge-continue/

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:usa1:

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Any surprises here? I guess no, not really.

111 waivers to big companies for Obamacare.

http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations...or_waiver.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lots...acare-waivers/

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Finally, showing some promise.

Judge Calls Health Law Unconstitutional
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...229615230.html

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Good to hear it. Although the thing that pisses me off is that so many companies (like the one I work at) have already put so much time, effort, and money into getting ready for the changes, that if they reverse this bill... All of that is wasted. Completely wasted.

But I guess Tom will come in here and say it was Obama's plan to create or KEEP jobs. :P

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The dems planned this all along. Hire a bunch of people to ramp up healthcare, than hire a bunch more to tear it down. Kinda like hiring one crew to dig a hole and another to fill it back in. It's the 2011 dem job bonanza!

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Honestly, they should have put in a clause that says, if you dont want the healthcare, then you can opt out. But they only open enrollment every 5 years. And if you dont have insurance or the money to pay for the work being done UP FRONT, you simply dont get the care needed. PERIOD.
Which it then would be very funny when all of these republicans opt out, And then complain about how they cant get a doctor when they get sick because they dont have health insurance. I will laugh.
The people wanted a universal healthcare system, but then bitch when they are told they will have to pay for it. I welcome the universal healthcare for the simple reason that if another recession happens and im out of a job for 2 years or so, i would like to know that if i get a horrible disease, i dont want to go bankrupt trying to pay for it. But like ive said before, with the greedy, self centered people in this country, it will never happen the way it should. Everyone thinking for themself instead of others. im out of this thread and could really give two fucks what any of you really think when it comes to politics. You have all proven this many times that you done give a flying fuck about this countries people as a whole.

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So under this new plan you are gauranteed goverment funded healthcare if you lose your job?

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You are missing the point...we just hate lazy fucks :)

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This.

The United States of America is the land of opportunity. It is NOT the land of hand outs and receiving that which you do not deserve.

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+ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000