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1ViciousGSX 03-23-2010 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by s1ngletracker (Post 330427)
The jobs won't go away, they'll just be paid less.

Why are we not solving the root of the problem, healthcare being so expensive? That alone would afford many, many people the chance to get healthcare/health insurance coverage. Instead, we're doing things that will make healthcare costs go up. Great. That is, until the gov't takes it over altogether and completely F's it up.
The fact that they will be paid less is why the jobs will go away. It cost $200-300k to become a doctor, not counting the high cost of malpractice insurance (due to no TORT reform, thank Obama and the lawyers for that one), the cost of equipment and approved medical/surgical facilities, the cost of staffing those offices (you pay your doctor, he pays his nurses, lab techs, receptionist, accountant, etc). Would you invest the money knowing your earnings are about to be cut drastically?

To answer your second part; the lobbyist, SEIU, campaign contributors and big pharma just got paid back for electing Obama. Simply put, to really fix the issue you would either have to reduce health care cost through regulation, TORT reform and competition or raise the standard of living in the USA so everybody could afford to have insurance. But, then you would be taking money from the "haves" and giving it to the "have not's", and we can't have that. The super rich don't give a fuck about your ability to live well.

Look at what the bill does. It blocks out competition across state lines, it blocks out the importation of lower cost drugs from Canada and elsewhere. Some of the same drugs we export to Canada that could still be brought back here cheaper than buying them directly from here. And now they're forcefully adding 30 million more customers to the money pool for all of the insurance companies, adding to their bottom line. You know, those same evil insurance companies that Obama hates so much, right.

s1ngletracker 03-23-2010 09:33 AM
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yeah, you pretty much nailed it. I guess I'm not totally sure what will happen to jobs. Once the gov't tampers with free market economics, my education in economics no longer helps me figure out what is going to happen.

goodhart 03-23-2010 10:28 AM
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Ahh, another great mitsustyle political debate!!

*wonders when the paybanning will start...

Tachyon 03-23-2010 11:07 AM
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Looks like states are already moving to block this utter violation of personal freedom:

"Four state legislatures have already passed laws blocking the bill. On Wednesday, Virginia's GOP Gov. Bob McDonnell will sign the bill into the state's law, making it illegal for the federal government to require Americans to purchase health insurance."

Even our own Governor, Tim Pawlenty, remarked that this is an, "unprecedented overreach by the federal government forcing individual citizens to buy a good or a service for no other reason then they happen to be alive or a person."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HealthCare...0176898&page=1

Kracka 03-23-2010 11:10 AM
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Awesome to see more states starting to stand up for themselves!

A//// Guy 03-23-2010 12:45 PM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...means-for-you/

Matt D. 03-23-2010 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tachyon (Post 330509)
Looks like states are already moving to block this utter violation of personal freedom:

"Four state legislatures have already passed laws blocking the bill. On Wednesday, Virginia's GOP Gov. Bob McDonnell will sign the bill into the state's law, making it illegal for the federal government to require Americans to purchase health insurance."

Even our own Governor, Tim Pawlenty, remarked that this is an, "unprecedented overreach by the federal government forcing individual citizens to buy a good or a service for no other reason then they happen to be alive or a person."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HealthCare...0176898&page=1
http://www.madassnews.net/img/america-fuck-yeah.jpg

1ViciousGSX 03-23-2010 01:35 PM
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Ever wonder why this bill is so fucked up??? It's designed to fail over time. That way they can say they tried to fix it, but now the only thing that will work is a single payer, government controlled health care. And single payer is exactly what Obama Inc is shooting for.

This will make the government the wholesaler/middleman for your health care coverage. And the government will set the price and coverage, for your own good of course.

96GST16g 03-23-2010 02:26 PM
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The new Health Care Plan will be written by a committee whose Chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress which hasn't read it, signed by a President who smokes, funded by a Treasury Secretary whodid not pay his taxes, overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese, and financed............. by a country t...hat is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?"-

blackrosenova400 03-23-2010 02:30 PM
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Who said no Pro-Life people dont want to talk about countries/situations about where abortions happen illegally? Of course it still happns, at least the citizens know its wrong, and dont have to pay for illegal and disguting activity.

Lets make stealing legal, but just a little bit. Id rather have someone steal just a little bit and get away with it than steal alot.

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I would rather one child pass away then both (mother/baby) perish from a back-alley abortion.

One FACT that no pro-life person wants to talk about is in countries/situations where abortion is banished/illegal: Abortions still happen.

A soon-to-be mother who cannot have a baby -WILL- abort the fetus, this is not my opinion, this is fact, I would rather she survive the operation, if she uses a coat hanger she is likely to die too.

Matt D. 03-23-2010 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by blackrosenova400 (Post 330548)
Who said no Pro-Life people dont want to talk about countries/situations about where abortions happen illegally? Of course it still happns, at least the citizens know its wrong, and dont have to pay for illegal and disguting activity.

Lets make stealing legal, but just a little bit. Id rather have someone steal just a little bit and get away with it than steal alot.
You're smearing this discussion of liberty with a moral issue. Please stop.

Matt D. 03-23-2010 04:10 PM
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Tom says these are never right, it'll at least be entertaining to see what he has to say about it now.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Sl...l-Passage.aspx

1ViciousGSX 03-23-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 330561)
Tom says these are never right, it'll at least be entertaining to see what he has to say about it now.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Sl...l-Passage.aspx
Ban his ass before he can comment!! :rollinglaugh:

Kracka 03-23-2010 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 330567)
Ban his ass before he can comment!! :rollinglaugh:
:D He is pay-banned without shoutbox access already!

1ViciousGSX 03-23-2010 04:45 PM
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OK, lets pass the hat around, it's never long enough!!! :rollinglaugh:

DSMINMN 03-23-2010 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blackrosenova400 (Post 330461)
What really pisses me off are people who expect to have healthcare pay for there abortions. Wtf! Why should I have to pay for some piece of shit person who wants to murder an innocent baby.

Why should I have to support something I believe to be cruel and horribly wrong!
Exactly!

DSMINMN 03-23-2010 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by iceminion (Post 330465)
I highly doubt 65% of households oppose this, speaking to many people in my community, they are all waiting for the government to stop the stranglehold our healthcare system has over us, which is what this bill really accomplishes.
I know right? People need to learn their math. Just because 38 states are agenst this DOESN'T mean the majority doesn't want it!

Wait....

DSMINMN 03-23-2010 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by iceminion (Post 330467)
I would rather one child pass away then both (mother/baby) perish from a back-alley abortion.

One FACT that no pro-life person wants to talk about is in countries/situations where abortion is banished/illegal: Abortions still happen.
It's not pro life or pro choice... It's pro life or pro death. Simple as that. IDK how people can't see that. Death is death, killing is killing, no way around that.

DSMINMN 03-23-2010 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by iceminion (Post 330465)

We copied "cash for clunkers" from Germany(and other European countries) and we are attempting to copy the healthcare model they use for their healthcare. Both examples are of things that -WORK-
RIIIIGHT! Because C4C worked, SUUUURE. Oh, and the Canadian or *insert country's name here* health care is working out so well? Sorry, but it doesn't make sense to copy something that ='s a FAIL and expect to get anything else as a result...

DSMINMN 03-23-2010 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 330532)
Ever wonder why this bill is so fucked up??? It's designed to fail over time. That way they can say they tried to fix it, but now the only thing that will work is a single payer, government controlled health care. And single payer is exactly what Obama Inc is shooting for.

This will make the government the wholesaler/middleman for your health care coverage. And the government will set the price and coverage, for your own good of course.

If he want's it so bad, why doesn't Obama pay for it himself? "WE THE PEOPLE" have said no... And yet it keeps going... Oh, and not to mention the 38 STATES....


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