4G63 in a Conquest/Starion
 

Anyone knwo fo any good sites that go over this swap and what's all involved. Just looking for my own viewing pleasure. ;)

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Buscur has most of the parts listed on their site that you would need.

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www.projectzerog.com
Fuck Bushnuts, he is the opposite of a resource.

The 2.0 is an okay swap, but if you are going thru the trouble, do something useful. My favorites are: RB26, 6g74, 2.17
Remember that you won't have the DSM tranny holding you back.

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LS1 would be my choice if you are going to swap. If you're gonna go, go big! Won't weigh much more than the 2.6l since it is all aluminum.

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Or just buy a Camaro since the whole car would probably be half the price of a swap and can't weight a whole lot more.

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Doesnt the widebody 2.4 bolt up to the stock tranny on these? Thats what I was planning on mine, but never got to it, and probably never will. Allan, buy mine! :)

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Yes it does. The 2.4 will break the tranny though, they arn't made for high horsepower. There really isn't much reason to get rid of the G54B. Not to replace it with something like the 4g64 anyway.

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Conquests are for pussies. get a man's car, a CAMARO! It already has a v8!

I'll sell you my car plus most of what you need to convert to MPI for $5995. I'll sell you a big honkin' turbo if you want that too. 569whp and 600 wtq on a setup very similar to mine. :)

Comes with several extra parts like springs, and random things I find in my garage that can fit in the trunk.

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The starion is a good 500 lbs lighter. Flat rear window so plexi is easy, seats weigh like 90 lbs each, so it is easy to lose more weight.

Why is a 2.17l swap cool, but a LS1 is sacriledge?

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In the mitsu family. That's all.

If money wasn't an issue, and I really really wanted a sweet quest, I'd put a 1UZFE (?) toyota v8 in and turbo it.

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"If" I was to do something like this I'd swap it to a 4G63/4 and nothing else. It wouldn't be anything insane and if the stock motor coudl handle 300hp boosted I'd probably not do a swap. I've read a lot of bad shit about the stock heads as well.

Mo, what's an asking price ;)

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Oh shit be ready for Reid to pounce.

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i bet you mo would pay you to take it away!

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Why does Reid need to be the one to pounce? Meh.

Yea, stock heads are flowing nightmares compared to a 4g63 head. Even with everything you can do to the head, it's flow still won't be all that impressive. Who cares though. People who buy a conquest (and stay g54b) are looking for torque, and that's exactly what it dishes out. MPI + big turbo have yielded awesome results already. 500hp+ is a reality, even with the flow rates of the head.

Alan - Honestly, I think it's cheaper and easier to get 300hp (and gobs more torque than a 4g63) out of the stock engine, then it is to swap a 4g63 in it.

And as for the F-body comment: What would be easier to work on? LS1 in a conquest, or LS1 in the F-body. Hmmm...

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Twin turbo LS1

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LS7 or no LS...anything else is dumb. Why use a turbo V8? The power is unusable. Stay with a G54B, make power and be happy. If you can make a DSM work, you can make a Conquest work. Less breaks and the power comes with less effort. If you don't believe me, look at the 9 second Starquests out there.

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I agree with Kougar. Enough power to play with should be pretty easy. Maybe not 300 horses. I would expect 275 with ease, but you'd probably have 350-400ft lbs to go with it. They have unbelievably torquey motors.

Not that I know too much about them. Mine blew up before I could really tear into it.


On a side note, does anybody know a guy who put a new engine in a black on black 87. F*cker never paid me.

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Well if you wanted to stick with the stock motor, it's all there, minus a good head. The head is there, but I took it off, and the journals are messed. I'm not sure what a reasonable price is for something like this.. anyone have any ideas?

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There are some aftermarket heads that wake up the stock engine.

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If you recall, I think I talked to you about it at the NSX/s2k meet. The price we talked about is about right. More for a really clean body. What journals are messed up? The ones in the head? I have a bare head sitting in my garage that is free and I'm pretty sure it's fine.

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Nice choice of words, straight from this months Sport Compact Car! (Not that I read such a wussy mag)

But they put a LS6/LS7? in a 3rd Gen RX7....adding a total of 67Lbs or something like that. 350 HP vs. the stock >200 is a great deal if its that light!

I would put a turbo LS in my car, but there is no room, on the starion there might be tho.....

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Yup, I do remember. I figured that was about right, but you never know until people more familiar with a specific model has input. I would let the car go for $500 as it sits.

Yeah its the cam journals. When I got the car the guys said the head just needs some work, and I towed it away on that premise. When I took it apart, I realised he was clueless. I really wanted to finish and drive this car because I've always liked them, but I have too many cars and too many projects.

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Hahahaha... Obviously you've never worked on an LS1 Camaro. They are a PITA. At least in a StarQuest the LS1 motor wouldn't be halfway under the firewall.

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Yeah, it'd be completely in front of the firewall, the weight ratio F-R would be kinda messed up, but if you're making 500 horsepower on 89 octane it wouldn't be a problem.

Who doesn't love a big stupid v8? Remember, 'There's no replacement for displacement - except electricity!'

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Fuck that shit, 427 C5-R FTW!

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Same thing meng...

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how about stock engine with multi-port FI and a large marge turbo and 400 whp daily?

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Bah, that is SOOO last year! Warhawk 454 FTW! They have custom cast blocks and heads for them. And the oil runs the way it should, to the crank first!

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the LS7 is the 505hp ZO6 motor

The C5-R is a 700hp Crate motor from the Lemans C5-R

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They probably just milled the heads down a bit for that C5-R one.

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Nope, and it's a totally different induction set-up

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I was kinda joking. But if all they changed was induction, then that's really not much difference. Anyway, back on topic here - I'll tell you guys how much power a HyperU on stock everything else handles big boo-oost! (when i get that far)

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Word on the street is that they are the same block. I understand that they are different, one doesn't use pump gas:) We were talking about turboing the LS anyway. Throw a dog a bone...

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No, they are definately not the same block. The C5R block is based on the LS1, the LS7 is very different. The LS7 is a bit more advanced, but the C5R uses better materials (and is $5k for a bare block). Doug Rippie Motorsports builds some sweet 'vettes. I have seen the C5R blocks down there in cars and in buildup.

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Putting an LS1 in a Conquest would probably ~save~ you weight over the front wheels. They only weigh like 475 lbs dressed. That SCC article got me thinking even more of something cool to put one in.

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That's what I'm saying man. Dropping the cradle to swap the engine (on f-body) vs pulling it from the top (with a swapped quest). I'm a GM Tech, I know the F-body good enough...

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My point is this: The Conquest is a sweet little import, don't take that away from it by putting a LS mototr in it. If you want a Camaro, go get one. America can't make anything as sweet as the FD3S, that's not Mazda's fault. Don't punish an FD3S by putting a POS V8 in it. I think it's funny that the hicks are just now finding out that Amercan cars suck...but they can't get over that flat and gay sound the V8 makes. Yeah, an RX7 with a LS will destroy anything that came with LS. But it will also do that with the Triangle-filled Death Factory that powered it when it was bought. Fuck SCC. The Conquest is the shit without pushrods, thanks.

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