CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...68#post6319568

This should perform similar to FP's EVO GREEN but there has been an emphasis made that this turbo was designed from the ground up to perform well on just pump gas, where it has been shown that the green has performed better at elevated boost levels (26psi+).

This puppy is rated at 47lbs/min and features a BLUE compressor wheel (BBK = Billet Blue Kompressor) :)

The following are NOT direct comparisons. The cars are similar or the same car, sometimes with a slightly different FMIC or what have you. These are just to get a general idea of this thing's capabilities:

Stock IX turbo vs BBK:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...BKKVSEVOIX.jpg

FP HTA3076R vs BBK @ 25psi
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...VSHTA3076R.jpg

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

That looks like a very nice option, when are you sending yours in? FP started a billet wheel trend!

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Cbrd Ftw!

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Cool vid on how this thing is made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1AyHgMDxNA

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Cool video :)

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

That vid was actually pretty cool.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

I enjoyed it! Haha, I hava that same nice caliper... Tesa IP67 haha. Anyways...

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Found out that the dude that actually made the video is the actual machinist you see in it in a few spots, not some marketing dude. Way cool.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

That was a cool vid!

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Well learn how to do this kevin or G28,lol

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

cool vid, looks promising.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Wow, just wow:

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

i want to see a back to back between this and the FP Red

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

No diggity. Sadly it'll probably never happen. FP Red is rated much higher though, 57lbs/min vs 47lbs/min. A better comparison would be the green.

Also, it's been said that this turbo was designed to perform well on pump gas, whereas the green and red have been known to really shine at higher boost levels.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

That's a monstrous more amount of torque, wow. 1000rpm better spool I guess, makes me want a newer technology turbo.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

This thing is putting down some promising numbers out there....stronger than an evo green....but some numbers are on par with FP Red numbers I've seen....very impressive!

Compared to stock IX turbo:
http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/b...tock_power.jpg

91 oct vs E85:
http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/b...BK_91vsE85.jpg

Stats on this Evo:

2006 Evo 9 GSR

2.75" Tanabe Downpipe
3" Agency Power catback
RRE rally cat (resonated test pipe)
Titek V2 tubular 02 housing
Ported stock exhaust manifold
CBRD BBK Full turbo upgrade (with porting option)
GST open cone air filter
Perrin FMIC
AMS LICP
Cosworth M2 mivec cams
FIC "BlueMax" 1250cc injectors
Denso IKH24 spark plugs (1 heat range colder)
Walboro fuel pump (single)
GM 3 port boost solenoid using ECU-controlled boost

GST Custom flash using Tephra v5.10 for map switching with stock ECU (91 to E85 and back)

Lastly, check out how this turbo eliminates boost taper compared to the stock turbo:
http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/b...ock_power_.jpg

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

So, is your Evo getting one for Xmas?

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

These numbers are spot on with some of the numbers the FP RED has been putting down, even on high boost (30psi) and E85. These sure do look tempting....I have some money set aside, just need to save for a while longer :) Maybe spring? Late spring....

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Bump, I just got mine :)

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Nice choice :D. $695 + shipping (if you have a 9 turbo already) for one bad ass turbo.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Never thought I'd see the day :) Congrats!!

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Same car as above:

http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/b...E85_010309.jpg

Also, ripping this from evoM:

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Check out this bitchin comparison bryan@GST just did:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...ock-turbo.html

Stock IX turbo swapped out for a BBK:
http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...psi_022709.jpg

http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...psi_022709.jpg

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

There's a whole pile of results on this thing over the last year, figure I'd update this since it is still IMHO the bee's knees:

Crazy build:
4g64 Engine w/ Evo IX head..
Cosworth Cams
CBRD BBK Full Turbo @ 30psi
Buschur Double Pumper w/ 1200cc Injectors
E85 pump Fuel
Buschur Ported Intake Manifold & TB
Buschur Ported Exhaust Manifold
Stock 02 Housing
DC Sports Downpipe / Test Pipe
AWD Mini Battery Kit
AWD UICP & LICP
Stock fuel Rail
Stock Ignition
Stock Ecu w/ MAF Tuned By: Diiirk
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/o...astard_bbk.jpg
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...bbk-turbo.html


Here are some results of the cbrd bbk in northern california. Some more info can be found @ http://evoempire.org/index.php/topic...d-bbk-results/

91 Octane:

PhoPoweR 2004 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / 91 octane / 358whp/318wtq
http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...BBK_070709.jpg

Stevo8 2003 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / 91 octane / 369whp/327wtq

Mods:
STEVO8 Spec ported BBK Full turbo
STEVO8 Spec ported Exhaust mani & Intake mani
Kelford 272's
Blox cam gears -2/-4
Forge WGA
Tomei BOV
AEM intake tube W/Perrin filter & vibrant maf adapter
ETS uicp
AMS licp
Perrin fmic
Milspec 65mm TB
AMS fuel rail
RC1200cc injectors
Titek V1 O2 housing
megan 3" DP
testpipe
3" catback with 16" resonator & muffler delete
Zeitronix Wideband
GM 3port boost solenoid using ECU-controlled boost
Stock motor
Stock MAF
Stock ECU

GST Motorsports custom dyno tune
Tephra V5 map switching (EcuFlash)
91 oct / E85 maps



E85 Ethanol:

Lqdchkn 2006 Evo 9 - BBK SPL / 2.3 / e85 ethanol / 476whp/464wtq
http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/b...rbo_081509.jpg


helloyellowevo
Mods:
BBK Full
HKS intake and induction pipe
HKS SSQV Bov
3" TBE no cat
Titek 02 housing
Generic FMIC
Nisei UICP
LICP
Walboro FP
RC 1200cc injectors
ARP headstuds
Brian Crower 280 cams
Adjustable Cam Gears
GST 2.3L stroker short block
GM 3port boost solenoid using ECU-controlled boost
Tephra Map switching on stock ECU
helloyellowevo 2003 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.3 / e85 ethanol / 415whp/440wtq
http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/b...E85_091209.jpg


Stevo8 2003 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 445whp/394wtq

http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...BBK_122109.jpg


hansolo 2006 Evo 9 MR - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 429whp/367wtq
Mods:
CBRD BBK Full turbo
Titek 02 housing
TBE 3"
MilSpec Hi-Flow Cat
HKS Mivec Cams
ARP HeadStuds
Springs and retainers
RC 1200cc injectors
Walbro fuel pump
Perrin FMIC
K&N cone filter (stock induction tube)
Injen Upper IC pipe
Lower IC pipe
MilSpec throttle body seals
Crushed OEM BOV
GM 3 port boost solenoid using ECU boost
TephraMods Map switching Rom
Stock ECU
Stock MAF
GST Motorsports tune
E85 and 91 octane tunes
http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/b...E85_110709.jpg


PhoPoweR 2004 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 435whp/384wtq
Mods:
CBRD BBK Full Ported
Titek v2 02 Housing
Titek Down Pipe
RRE Rally Cat
Greddy Ti-C
FIC BlueMax 1250cc Injectors
Cosworth 272 M2's
Supertech Valvetrain
ARP Headstuds
Perrin FMIC
AMS LICP
AEM Short Ram Intake
Walboro Fuel Pump
Synchronic BOV
GM Boost Solenoid
Tephra Stock Ecu Map Switching
91 and E85 tunes
http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use..._91_120509.jpg


JDMevoBOOST 2006 Evo 9 MR - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 437whp/370wtq
Mods:
Turbo & Exhaust
-CBRD BBK Full Ported
-MIL.Spec ported OEM exhaust mani
-Titek V1 02 housing
-Garage HRS DP
-Rallycat ( resonated test pipe)
-JIC Ti catback

Intake:
-Buschur cone on stock MAF no snorkel or box for these runs
-Speedsource LICP (AMS clone)
-ETS 3" IC
-Samco IC hoses
-MIL.SPEC 65mm T/B and I/M
-Hondata I/M spacer
-Synapse BOV
-Upgraded T/B seals
-GM 3 port boost solenoid

Valvetrain:
-Cosworth M2
-Supertech single springs and Ti retainers
-JAM non-tick lifters
-HKS Camgear

Fuel Delivery:
-FIC 1450cc
-single walboro

Spark:
-Denso IKH24
-Sun Hyperforce

Clutch:
-Exedy Twin Ceremetallic
-AMS clutch Lines
-MAP clutch fork stopper

E85 gizmos:
-GM Flex Fuel Sensor
-Zeitronix ZT2
-Zeitronix ECA (Measured 79% Ethanol for this tuning session)

GST Motorsports custom dyno tune
Tephra V7 map switching and biggie maps (EcuFlash)
91 oct / E85 maps
http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...BBK_121909.jpg

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Seems like an IX can spool up to like 25psi by like 3300rpm with cams, good god!

Check out this combo, fantastic bang/buck:

94 octane Cenex pump gas
BBK turbo, ported
GSC S2 cams w/FP springs
ER Speed Density tune
ER intake
Garret FMIC w/ETS piping
Tial Q BOV (I need a softer spring though)
FIC 750s & Walbro 255
3" exhaust w/test pipe duh
Titek V2 o2 housing
BR ported exhaust manifold
AEM Tru-Boost
~ 28psi

Stock clutch, head(minus cams), block, intake manifold and throttle body.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...Dcorrec855.jpg

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...ml#post7887544

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

that makes me want the 68HTA for my DSM. I believe that was rated at 47lbs/min which is about the same rating as the BBK right? A 2.3, E fuel, and that seems to make killer tq and still good power. Very nice!

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

I believe the BBK is in the low 50's lbs/min rating; I say this because the FP HTAGreen is 54 lbs/min and was a direct response to the BBK.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Dave, if you wanted something about like this and the BBK is in the low 50's (lbs/min wise) then Kevin_1g_Drummer has a Garrett 3076 which flows about 52ish, and should be able to have more top end than a 68HTA, yet still have quick spool with the ball bearing CHRA and the 2.3 combined...

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

The BBK Full is actually only rated at 47lbs/min, which is obviously under-rated. This is why I'm so pumped about the BBX and BBK-B which are both rated at ~57lbs/min without sacrificing much spool. With numbers like these, its hard to want more though.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Hrm, I'm liking these results, on cali-piss too! speed density and a non-cdi COP seem to be a good ticket for pump gas. :P

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...tephra-v7.html

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Is it me or is there hardly any difference between the non-MIVEC and MIVEC cars anymore?

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

I'd imagine that's true before they are tuned. The manufacturers probably care more about fuel economy than getting power out of it.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Early on there there was a clear definition between an 8 and a 9 with similar mods, but now you look at the graphs and power output between the cars listed in this thread and there isn't much difference.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Blasphemy! I want 500 at MAP. :)

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

How many lbs/min is a stock 9 turbo then? I thought the bbk full flowed more than that. Kinda scared now to purchase a bbk

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Once the turbo is equalized, there is no reason for similarly modded 8's and 9's to make similar power. IX's however, can sometimes make equal power on stock cams, esp if its E85. Mivec mostly helps in the spool-up area, with cams like 4R's helping improve spool almost 500rpm over a non-mivec evo8.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

IX turbo is like 43-44lbs/min, and the BBK is rated at 47lbs/min, but flows more like 54lbs/min. What's to be scared of? Cost aside, there is huge gains up top for very little compromised down low.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

Scared that I wont make over 400 whp and good tq for 2 grand.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

They are doing that on 91 octane. E85 is win.

Re: CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9
 

If your car is in good running order and has a good parts combo, on E85, you'll do it easily on a BBK Full, and if you opt for the BBK-B it'll be more like 440 with ease. You're most of the way there already man.