I need some help with AEM
 

Ok, installed the wideband and started 'er up. The thing was pig rich, off the meter. So I leaned out about 8-10 boxes all by 10 "points" and the idle jumped from about 750 to 1300, haha. Guess I need to adjust the throttle plate some.

Anyway, my main concern is the coolant temp sensor. It's a GM unit, the AEM read 207 degrees by the time I shut it off. Is there a calibration that needs to be done? I did the wizard thing where you select what sensors you're using, and it was the only GM one there.

Thermostat is a stock temp unit at 195. Any tips? just let it do it's thing and make sure it doesn't go over 210 or 215? Or get a lower temp stat?

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DSMlink FTW!

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I could have used mitsu stuff, but why downgrade from conquest parts to dsm parts? ;)

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I'd see how hot it actually starts getting, then make sure you don't have any cooling system issues afterwards. You only have a 5v signal going to the temp sensor, right?

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Yeha, I might actually be retarded. I haven't driven the car in 2 years, and I think in that time I've forgotten basic car stuff, its possible it's a 210 degree stat, it's a stock replacement one, so could be, I'll look up what stock is.

Anyway, as for the AEM, it turned red at like 160, so it doesn't know where the threshold is for "too hot". I need to change that for sure.

It's a 5 volt signal sent by the AEM, yeah.

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just checked, OE spec is supposed to be 192 I believe.

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You are probably too lean for the lower cells, I had that problem when I first started with the AEM too. I wasn't able to get the idle down, then I would lean it out and it still wouldn't go down. I actually needed to make it richer.

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Double post.

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I did the opposite, it was super rich, then I leaned it out and it read 10.5 afr. still really rich, I think more than that is unreasonable. I suppose I could be wrong.

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Most car will run around 205-210. GM's cooling fans will turn on at about 221-227 with the guage at 210 on the dash.
Joe

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Trying leaning it out closer to stoic and make sure your ignition timing is sync'd.

I am available for hire on sunday :).

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Cool, good to know.

I will try that, and thanks for the offer, but I'm broke as a joke right now. I'll let you know what's up once I get my next paycheck. :)

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ok, so I tried leaning it out at idle, but it didn't want to rev cleanly, it would hiccup and appeard to be going very lean. I richened it up again and it revved clean, but I'm sure it could be leaner. I messed with the accell dTPS table a bit, raised the line up a bunch, and that seemed to help. Are most of the throttle tip-in adjustments done in the main fuel window or auxiliary windows like the dTPS or others?

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Have you tried looking on teh AEM forums for help?

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I don't read forums, forums read me.

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The main fuel maps are used for "base" fuel only. All the modifiers (accel, decel fuel, coolant correction, off idle performance, idle fuel, air temp enrichment) are done in their own respective tables. I've seen many people that try to use "unused" portions of the map for accel fuel. Then they wonder why the car runs like shit in different gears and under different load conditions (like large hills that they normally don't encounter). The AEM manual has a decent explanation of what each table does and how to start tweaking them.

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Thank you, that was what I was looking for.

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GMs use reverse cooling and will run much hotter because of it. There is no comparison to turbo mitsus.

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My MS2 uses a GM cooling sensor and it is usually in the 200

I wouldn't worry about it until it goes up to 220 or something like that. My stock coolent temp sensor for the dash is still plugged in and it reads normal at 200

How I tuned my idle is:

Shut off all enrichments and things that would modify the Base fuel map
accel, decel fuel, coolant correction, off idle performance, idle fuel, air temp enrichment

*just to add, the reason why it is bucking is probably because of your accel fuel enrichment isn't high or low enough but forget this right now.

Turn up your idle screw a couple of turns (this will prevent it from dying out at idle and warms up the car pretty fast)

warmed up your car so it is at operating temps.

Then tuned the base fuel map idle by ear

Reason of not using your WB is depending on your cam, you may need to run richer then 14.7
I know I had to change my base tune when I installed my 272 I think mine is at 14.0-13.5 and runs just fine like that

*Also at Idle I have the computer look at the throttle Position because with the bigger cam, I loose vacuum at idle which throws off my MAP sensor.

*My accel enrichment is a blend of MAP reading and TPS reading but again all of that is shut off when tuning just the base fuel map

Next you have to dial in your base map which means no hard pulls. Just running the car up the RPM little by little to dial in the Fuel map. This is where you would use the O2 sensor. I don't know what AEM has but MS2 has megalog which is a program that will help you dial in the base fuel map. Really helpful

To make it short. Once you have the fuel map set, you can leave it and never have to change it again unless you mod the car with something else.

After the fuel map is dialed in, you can change your enrichments

Tuning becomes addicting once you figure out how to. There is a steep learning curve however

What are you using for spark output?

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dsm coil pack. I want to learn how to tune, but I might need some lessons from a pro before I'd feel confident.

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:bath:
:punch:
I usually end up teaching/tuning, makes it easier as owners can be more hands on with their car, especially if they switch out components.

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I admit it was pretty hard to learn it at first but after I read the instructions step by step it worked out good for me.

I suggest read the instructions and try it out for yourself first and then when you want to get the system really dialed in, dyno the car. Thats better money spent

but since it is hard to read forums and instructions maybe it is best to get lessons.....:rolleyes:

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that reading forums bit is a take off of a robert downey Jr. line from tropic thunder, "I don't read the script, the script reads me."

anyway, I will be reading up on this stuff. I need to forget about the car for a while and make some money to pay for the tuning eventually.

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Wow, I was going to ask a tuning question, but now it's a "why am I so dumb" question. Why is my most recent map that I've been "tuning" on the car not the same as it was just a few hours ago when it was hooked up to the car? I click "save file" whenever I make a change when it's hooked up, but now, looking at it offline, it is absolutely not the same as before. What am I doing wrong that I can't see the file as I saw it before? Only difference is I am not connected to the car.

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Alright. I figured out my dumbness and here is the latest from my efforts to get this as close as possible over the winter.

I still have some problem with big throttle movements from idle, it goes lean for a second. This is with the engine warmed up.

If anyone wants to take a gander at this .cal file and maybe give a helping hint, suggestion or critique, that would be very nice.


on a side note, I started making a "from scratch" file where I started with a blank slate, and almost got myself into some trouble, but mainly, it turned out to be PEBKAC.

Thanks.

EDIT: I'm just leaving this up to show what not to do. I had the wrong size injectors selected. I have 750's and had chosen 850s (the closest option) back before I upgraded to the v1.19 firmware which now had 750's in the list of injector calibrations. I was trying to compensate for a lean condition and crappy revving from idle with a whole lot of tip-in fuel from dTPS and dMAP, but that just screwed everything up. I have since deleted this stupid .cal file and started over with proper settings, and life is much better now. See below.

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could it be that I need to adjust tip in for air temp as well Bueller?

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Yeah, it likely is tip in that needs to be adjusted.

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well, it is. I meant coolant, not air temp, but even if I had said coolant, I don't know if it would matter, since I haven't even gotten it to tip in correctly with the car warmed up.

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If I have time tonight I'll peak at the cal file. I need to make a few basemaps for a guy in texas tonight anyway...

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Thanks, BUT, you should disregard that map. I had spend so much time using it, trying to change it and make it work that I forgot I had some basic settings wrong on that map.

I started with a fresh 1300 MAP.cal file, set everything to the right sensors, correct size injectors (yeah, I'm retarded, but that was probably the main problem), and only set the timing, TPS range and raised up about 3-4 squares in the idle range of the fuel map so it would idle fine.

Now it's at 14-15 AFR at idle, revs really cleanly, almost with no issues whatsoever, and sound MUCH better. Cranks over better, starts faster. Everything is better now. I had been going down the wrong path for so long that I didn't want to believe I could have done something wrong.

Next time the roads dry out a bit, I am going to drive it around, see if there are any major problems (which I doubt) and then maybe think about arranging for tuning. I believe I can get it pretty close myself now.

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Tropic Thunder FTW!!

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lol, yeah.

I have this thing down now, it's running really well except I REALLY need an idle control motor, I do not like doing that job myself, but when it's warmed up it idles perfect around 900-950 and it's amazingly quiet at idle.

Next step is using the automapping feature to get the fuel map tuned better. I could have gone out today, the main roads were dry but still some sections were icy, so I decided against that. I need some dry roads, yet not so cold I die from exposure when I step outside.

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I would avoid automapping.

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yeah, I tried it today and it didn't do shit so I stopped.

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Sorry I haven't had a change to look at a cal file. I get internet at the new place on Saturday, so I might have some free time this weekend. Email me your latest cal file you want me to peak at this weekend.

Just send it to my yahoo email. swanny09@yahoo.com