WTF: Tranny minus 4th Gear = GAY
 

I don't know where to put this, so mods move where you see fit

92 AWD 5 spd, Shep Stage 3: Chromoly forks, 4 spyder

I did a pull from a stop tonight. Went into 4th gear and some HORRIBLE noises. Car goes into every gear just fine, and now in forth makes BAD sounds. Tranny sounds like there are pieces dancing around inside. WTF. I just want to part out my car now. FML. I'll call Shep on Monday.

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You most likely stripped 4th gear, welcome to the club, ive done it 3 times! Fourth gear is the most prone to breaking, takes the most load, unless of course you floor it in 5th which most people dont do.

If fourth gear is stripped, then the countershaft is done too and anything else the metal chunks have gone into. Sorry to say but usually means the transmission needs a complete overhaul.

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WTF I was right behind you. Did this happen closer to your house?

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What fluid are you running?

Are you absolutely sure you have the heavy duty 3-4 gears?

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I have always used Pennzoil Syncromesh. John Shepard said that was fine. Maybe 2 years ago I paid $1900 for my Stage 3 rebuild with a 4 spider center diff and optional chromoly shift forks. It had "heavy duty" 3+4 but not double syncro'd.

So wtf. This car keeps sucking money from me! If this can not be somewhat cheaply repaired, then I'm gonna part this out.

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Damn dude, that sucks to hear! Hope it can be fixed cheaply, your car is too damn nice to part out.

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Synchromesh is thinnnn shit in my opinion, especially for the decent power you were making.

Try some NEO or heavyweight shockproof next time; if there is a next time.

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Heavyweight shockproof is a good idea, but it will make it harder to shift as it will make the syncros to slippery.

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damn that sucks! sorry to hear man! hope you get everything figured out so you don't have to part it out!

Re: WTF: Tranny minus 4th Gear = GAY
 

it's a DSM. It's what they do. haha

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Wow that really blows! Looks like you need FWD so you'll just spin instead of putting so much load on the gears. :p

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Thats messed up. Sorry to hear man.

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Don't be stupid. Fix it. I'm guessing you chipped a few of the teeth in gear 4.

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Synchromesh and Synchroshit are both garbage. Using Shockproof in the transmission is also a bad idea since its not a GL-4 and its not designed for daily-driver use (its meant to be used on a racecar that has fluid changes after every race).

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I used the BG Syncroshift II for a while on my 1G and loved it, but I love the redline cocktail moar. Drain the fluid and see what kinda chunks come out.

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You can do it on the cheap if you can get your hands on a evo 3 tranny.
Mine takes the beating. Hell it came out of a ralliart rally car and I have been far from nice to it. There are guys in NZ making well over 900 on drag cars with the stock evo 3 trannys.

I use to run the thin shit also. Then put in the redline mix and it shifted better now it has redline heavyweight in when I replaced the twindisk for the hks twindisk

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Redline MT-90/MTL coctail FTW.

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Could you point me in the direction so that I may find an evo 3 trans so I can swap internals?

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This is the only transmission fluid besides OEM Mitsu DiaQueen that I recommend.

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Tranny fluid this, tranny fluid that. Blah blah.

Good luck with the trans Kevin. That sucks a lot. All you can really do is rebuild it and move along again. Thanks for reminding me why I don't like dsms anymore.

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Whatever it takes to keep my car on the road...I don't see much point in having a car that does nothing but take up garage space.

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+1

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Because they involve some effort....

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I hope that's not directly directed towards me or my cars, because I'm sure one of my car(s) have had more miles on the road (in a year), than your evo's had in it's entire ownership with you.

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Its directed towards anyone questioning the maintenance I perform on my cars, including you or anyone else. These cars break enough on their own, there is no reason to skimp on something so cheap and easy as drivetrain fluids.

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Not true, I'm sure if he wasn't messing it wouldn't have broken. Their owners break them, then others find reasons as to why it broke... like tranny fluid.

Power and beating/racing/driving cars aggressively will wear a car's drivetrain out, all you can do is fix it when it breaks.

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That's what I thought. People bad-mouth Mitsu but if you beat on any car then it's going to break, whether that's from the high temps of road course or the jolt of a 1/4 mile run.

People just don't mod their family sedans or drive them that way. I've had stock clutches last over 100k miles on more than one car. How many Evo VIII's have their original clutches right now?

Re: WTF: Tranny minus 4th Gear = GAY
 

Mine has the original clutch and with 45k on it now, and I'm sure i drive harder then most people do.

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That's cool. How much power have you added over stock?

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Min lasted 38k: 21k miles stock, 9k miles@266whp/240wtq, 8k miles @305-320whp/300-320wtq, and about 10 parking lot launches. The parking lot launches are what ultimately killed it. I drive aggressive too, but ultimately, launching kills stock clutches faster than anything else.

I gotta say though, I didn't realize that 4th gear on DSMs pooped out at 400wtq. Suck.

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I thought it was third more than forf. ESP at that power level

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Yeah, at these power levels, the trans case actually starts flexing, causing the gears from the counter shaft and input shaft to pull away from each other. Now the gear contact is on a weaker part of the tooth. Its why I shimmed up my counter shaft and input shaft up tighter to help prevent this, but does put more load on the bearings obviously.

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Wow sucks to hear.. shit happens.. hopefully you fix it and get it back up!

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Haha are you implying I was skimping? I used what I thought/felt was a good fluid. 2 years ago John Shep said that fluid was fine. And I highly doubt this failed because of fluid choice. I actually never liked the Redline cocktail. I do have redline heavyduty shockproof in he rear end and transfer case!



Anyways, I will eventually pull the tranny, ship it to Shep. If it's an arm and a leg, I'll just throw a stock tranny on. If it just costs an arm, I might spend a leg too and turn it into a "stage 4"

Or maybe I could just try to fix it myself hahaha. I've taken one of these apart nicely, it wasn't a big deal. Putting it back together and shimming it right, another story...

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If you do this LET ME KNOW!! That way maybe we can do our together.

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Not at all. From what I can tell it seems like you take care of your car, and like you said you were going based on information you thought was good from a supposedly reliable source.

I honestly for the life of me can't figure out why Shep continues to recommend the BG Synchroshit II for people to use. Its too thin and it sheers far too easily to properly protect a transmission. Fast shifting with perfect synchros? Yes. Long-term durability and protection? No.

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I'd probably take his word over yours.

Kevin, when's stage: dogbox comin!? Maybe stage: sc300 trade? :)

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Uh Shep does not recommend BG Syncroshift.

Taken directly from his sight
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There are several gear oils that will work depending on horsepower or intended use. For most transmissions we recommend Redline MT90 or Pennzoil Synchromesh. For drag use or high horsepower cars please contact us. Please let us know if you need any Redline gear oil.
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I run two quarts of Mt-90 for friction modifier, and two quarts of lightweight shockproof. Overfilled on purpose so that the gears dont pull the sump dry from using thicker lubricant. I may run Heavyweight in the summer.

Even if Shep recommended Syncroshift, I wouldn't use it but on a stock dsm.

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Good to see he finally changed his recommendation! That Penzoil stuff is no good either though b/c it sheers just as badly (its a GM fluid designed for a specific truck transmission).

Info that agrees with what I've been saying (this is all pretty new info on TRE's site too): http://www.teamrip.com/manual_transm...tion_info.html

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Be my guest.