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Matt D. 05-06-2010 10:45 AM

What the hell is this world coming to?
 
A friend linked this to me. Read the story and watch the video, I'm speechless.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

twack 05-06-2010 11:20 AM

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I hope they fucking rot in hell. Such shitty information and shitty cops!

Matt D. 05-06-2010 11:21 AM

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And this...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-92945969.html

twack 05-06-2010 11:26 AM

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nope first one pissed me off much more

goodhart 05-06-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 338389)

"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."


hahaha stupid bitch, she doesn't even know that Cinco De Mayo isn't Mexico's independence day. What a joke, that principal should be shot in the face and live.

Those pigs in the previous video should all go to fucking jail for what they did. WTF. I'm e-mailing both videos to some of my Criminal justice professors to see what they have to say about these videos.

A//// Guy 05-06-2010 11:42 AM

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So messed up.

Ihearrtdsm 05-06-2010 12:44 PM

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wow horrible!

awd-drifter 05-06-2010 01:08 PM

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They should NOT have raided the house like that. My aunt is married to an officer and I've asked him about these kinds of videos online; he tells us that the case has to be pretty extreme to be raiding houses, selling narcotics or illegal drugs or just something that's pretty extreme(illegal weapons, that sort of stuff). It's not needed to raid a house unless the suspect is known to have dangerous weapons. I want to know more on both sides of the story but raiding the house is pretty insane and shooting inside the house also.

1QUICK4 05-06-2010 01:15 PM

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wow

Halon 05-06-2010 01:34 PM

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Damn can't watch that first one here at work.

But the second one, hmm... I kinda feel like it's kinda a grey area for what the school faculty should have done. I agree it's stupid that it was even an issue in the first place because this is America, and banning someone from wearing anything patriotic is ridiculous.

But I like to look at things from both angles though. At the same time the faculty is looking out for the safety of the kids. And if a bunch of the mexican kids were getting all huffy puffy, and there was a likely chance that a fight was going to break out at school because of it, well then despite the position of the faculty on the actual clothes, they should have the students safety as one of their top priorities. So in that sense of things, I can see them trying to take some kind of action to keep everyone safe. I think it's kind of a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" because if those kids wearing the american flag shirts would have gotten their asses kicked by all those other kids, well then the parents would be screaming about how their kids got beat up at the school and that the faculty should have done something to prevent it all.

It's too bad really. The kids wearing the shirts did nothing wrong. The other ones are the root cause of the drama if they were getting all antsie about it. But I can't say I 100% blame the school faculty for trying to do something to ensure the safety of all the students if that was their reasoning. Maybe they could have done something else, like take the other kids who started the drama to the principles office and punish them, but well they probably had to make a decision fairly quickly, and that's what they did. It's easy to sit back now and pick it all apart, but when tempers are flying at a school during lunch or something, well sometimes you gotta make a decision quickly before something escalates into a fight, and I don't personally blame them for that.

Hopefully they just take it all as a lessoned learned and are better prepared for it when it happens next year, because I bet the kids will do the same thing next year again :)

LingLing 05-06-2010 01:42 PM

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That first video is fucked up....sigh.....

1QUICK4 05-06-2010 01:44 PM

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I didn't even look at the 2nd one. The 1st vid pissed me off sumthin' fierce

hellomynameis 05-06-2010 02:06 PM

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Am I missing something in the first video that has you all incensed?

Video doesn't show anyone shooting a dog in front of a kid. Doesn't show what the dog was doing that provoked shooting and killing it. There's no information regarding why a warrant like that was issued. I didn't see any police brutality or other outrageous things that occurred.

There is not enough information presented in the link you posted to drawn any kind of conclusion other than police officers executed a search warrant, shot a dog, arrested a man, and woman and child were also present in the house.

Matt D. 05-06-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hellomynameis (Post 338442)
Am I missing something in the first video that has you all incensed?

Video doesn't show anyone shooting a dog in front of a kid. Doesn't show what the dog was doing that provoked shooting and killing it. There's no information regarding why a warrant like that was issued. I didn't see any police brutality or other outrageous things that occurred.

There is not enough information presented in the link you posted to drawn any kind of conclusion other than police officers executed a search warrant, shot a dog, arrested a man, and woman and child were also present in the house.

The point is that they produced a search warrant for a MISDEMEANOR which resulted in the family's pets being shot and the family traumatized. Had the law done its duty and caught the guy for possession this wouldn't be such a big deal.

hellomynameis 05-06-2010 02:18 PM

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Guess I'll take a stab at the second link also...

Would these students have worn american flag shirts and bandannas any other day, or did they specifically wear them on on 5 May to make a point? I'll agree that it's a little stupid to get in trouble for wearing the colours of our country but I don't support people being assholes just because they feel like it—if that is indeed what they were attempting to do.

Again, we don't really know the full story or the intentions of the five students so its hard to draw any real conclusion...

twack 05-06-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 338444)
The point is that they produced a search warrant for a MISDEMEANOR which resulted in the family's pets being shot and the family traumatized. Had the law done its duty and caught the guy for possession this wouldn't be such a big deal.

then theres the small shit in the things the officers says. actually officer he dosnt have to give you his name that is not an officers right. When someone dosnt move their hands fast enough that is not grounds for kicking him. and if they were really worried about security they would of handcuffed the wife as well but they didnt. Protocall was bullshit here, im suprised they remembered to bring a camera and turn it on.


shooting the dog was the result of a over adrenaline filled cop with a trigger happy finger. Better training and regulations are massively needed here. But in reality because it was "in the line of duty" the officers will be told they did what they had to and no consequences or retraining will happen.

In cases like these officers need to know 110% that what they are looking for is inside that house. Obviously they didnt.

Im not anti cop at all an usually go to the side of the law. I studied criminal justice in colege and never pursued it. but in this case those officers were in the wrong and apologies need to be made and the original charges dropped for the trauma they caused

hellomynameis 05-06-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 338444)
The point is that they produced a search warrant for a MISDEMEANOR which resulted in the family's pets being shot and the family traumatized. Had the law done its duty and caught the guy for possession this wouldn't be such a big deal.

Where exactly does it say that? They executed a search warrant for unknown (to us) reasons. They charged him with a misdemeanor.

Unless we know the specifics of what the warrant was for and why it was issued we can't draw any conclusions about what "the law" did or did not do. I don't believe that you can have a warrant issued for a misdemeanor offense. However, if you' like me to confirm that with my brother, I will be happy to do so.

Matt D. 05-06-2010 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hellomynameis (Post 338447)
I don't believe that you can have a warrant issued for a misdemeanor offense.

I wouldn't be surprised, government does what ever the hell it wants to these days.

hellomynameis 05-06-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 338448)
I wouldn't be surprised, government does what ever the hell it wants to these days.

I love the attitude.

Turns out a warrant can be issued for most anything. From warrants for your arrest because you didn't pay your parking ticket to a no-knock search warrant for an eighth of weed. However, for that search warrant to be issued you'll need probable cause and have a judge sign it.

So...it's possible they executed a search warrant specifically to find a "small amount" of weed. It is however, highly improbable that they found a judge willing to sign a warrant for a "small amount" of weed.

So, again we find ourselves needing some facts surrounding this case and not a bunch of conjecture.

Kracka 05-06-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hellomynameis (Post 338449)
So, again we find ourselves needing some facts surrounding this case and not a bunch of conjecture.

I agree with this. I unfortunately can't watch this video on my work machine, but what ype of dog was it and was the dog in any way appearing to attack or threaten the officer? If so, I say the killing of it was justified unless it some some tiny rat dog running around nipping at ankles, in which case kicking it into a wall would be justifiable.

GsXtUrBo98 05-06-2010 03:04 PM

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It sickens me that they killed the dogs. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool. "Without getting graphic"

Matt D. 05-06-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 338452)
I agree with this. I unfortunately can't watch this video on my work machine, but what ype of dog was it and was the dog in any way appearing to attack or threaten the officer? If so, I say the killing of it was justified unless it some some tiny rat dog running around nipping at ankles, in which case kicking it into a wall would be justifiable.

A pitbull and a corgi. Neither appeared on video, both were shot before the camera entered the house.

Kracka 05-06-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 338455)
A pitbull and a corgi. Neither appeared on video, both were shot before the camera entered the house.

I don't know what a corgi is, but knowing pitbulls I'm not too surprised it got shot. If they were shot off-camera how does everyone "know" it wasn't the right decision? The defendants claiming it wasn't? That's original...

A//// Guy 05-06-2010 03:12 PM

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This is a corgi:

Pretty threatening eh?
http://clippetsonline.com/sitebuilde...s/CorgiArt.jpg

goodhart 05-06-2010 03:13 PM

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^^ That fucker just looks viscous!!!

Matt D. 05-06-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 338460)
I don't know what a corgi is, but knowing pitbulls I'm not too surprised it got shot. If they were shot off-camera how does everyone "know" it wasn't the right decision? The defendants claiming it wasn't? That's original...

In the video you hear a dog bark and a single gunshot followed by a yelp. There is another dog barking, a single gunshot and then the dog begins screaming. A bit later, the dog still screaming, 3 or 4 more shots are fired and the dog is silent.

slowboy101 05-06-2010 03:26 PM

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dude what are wrong with cops these days some one should shoot the cops I wish the cops would have been punished for that

Kracka 05-06-2010 03:36 PM

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Again, how do people know the pitbull wasn't on the attack?

goodhart 05-06-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 338460)
The defendants claiming it wasn't? That's original...

And that is so different coming from an officers mouth how? Police can lie too. Even the good ones.

Wait till you watch the video dude, the dog barks, there is like a 2-3 second pause, then the shot. The dog is crying for a good 10 seconds, then 3 more shots and the dog goes silent. Like they shot it again just to finish it off.

Kracka 05-06-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 338485)
Like they shot it again just to finish it off.

Sounds like the humane decision, just like a deer that gets hit by a car and is laying in the road wounded.

Kracka 05-06-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 338485)
And that is so different coming from an officers mouth how? Police can lie too. Even the good ones.

Everyone can lie which is my point exactly. More information and details is needed before immediately jumping to conclusions. In a situation like this though it will most likely be up to internal investigations and/or a jury since it wasn't documented on video.

goodhart 05-06-2010 04:38 PM

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http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...ry-is-ongoing/

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 338496)
Sounds like the humane decision, just like a deer that gets hit by a car and is laying in the road wounded.

Humane? absolutely.

Was it anybody but the family's decision? Absofuckinglutely not.

twack 05-06-2010 05:21 PM

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In all honesty when weed is legalized in the next 10 years and they look back at all the trauma they are causeing in their war against marijuana, i hope they are sick to their stomachs.

Kracka 05-06-2010 05:29 PM

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^Keep dreaming. The trauma as you call it is being caused to those involved in or somehow related to an illegal product. Illegal being the key word.

goodhart 05-06-2010 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by twack (Post 338521)
In all honesty when weed is legalized in the next 10 years and they look back at all the trauma they are causeing in their war against marijuana, i hope they are sick to their stomachs.

Why marijuana is even illegal is just blows me away. IMO Alcohol is 5 times worse. All pot does is make you lazy and gives you the damn munchies. I have never once heard of a guy smoking a bunch of pot, then going to rob a liquor store or something. You know why? because he is too busy watching re-runs of Mad Max on TMC while eating cheetos. Yea, marijuana is such a terrible "drug" riiight...

LingLing 05-06-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 338542)
Why marijuana is even illegal is just blows me away. IMO Alcohol is 5 times worse. All pot does is make you lazy and gives you the damn munchies. I have never once heard of a guy smoking a bunch of pot, then going to rob a liquor store or something. You know why? because he is too busy watching re-runs of Mad Max on TMC while eating cheetos. Yea, marijuana is such a terrible "drug" riiight...


:rollinglaugh:

100% agree.

tehehodi 05-06-2010 06:30 PM

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^No, but marijuana is a "gateway" drug remember?

D.A.R.E. LOL

LingLing 05-06-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tehehodi (Post 338548)
^No, but marijuana is a "gateway" drug remember?

D.A.R.E. LOL

D.A.R.E. was my gateway drug. I didn't know squat or have any interest in drugs until I went through that program.

cmspaz 05-06-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 338480)
Again, how do people know the pitbull wasn't on the attack?

Because if it was, as the defendant stated, a nice dog, that had to mean it was well trained. And well trained dogs don't attack people unless provoked. There was no growling, which is what a dog does when it feels threatened, only barking. Despite the fact that none of that was on camera, there is no doubt in my mind that the dog wasn't, and had no intention to, attack anybody at the time it was shot. It was startled by strangers and responded accordingly.

tpunx99GSX 05-06-2010 09:20 PM

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Take the whole pitbull out of the mix. Because the MAJORITY of pitbulls are nice dogs, its the humans that demonize them. Pitbulls used to be the All American dogs, Petey from the little rascals was a pitbull, and they were used to help the war effort selling war bonds. I would give a full account of the pitbulls history but thats what google is for. Its only because of the recent owner stupidity and peice of shit dog fighting rings that give them the image they now have.
And if an officer cannot defend himself against a dog without using deadly force than he doesnt deserve to wear a badge. Hes wearing full swat armor for fucks sake. And if they would have staked out the place they would have had animal services with them. Fools, and another helpless animal dies.


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