Simply brilliant - mosque @ Ground Zero
 

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Good, now let's go crash a fuckin plane into it.

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Seems like a fair trade to me.

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THIS ^^^^^ :lol:

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Think again, boys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dXFo0UUACM&hd=1

Keep in mind that I typically dislike Keith Olberman, but he hit the nail on the head with this one. No cliffs notes here, you need to watch it start to finish. If it doesn't change your mind then may God have mercy on your soul.

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Watched it; don't agree with it. We all have our opinions and he is entitled to his just like Rush is.

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You're kidding, Keith Olbermann? He's never been right about a single thing, I doubt if that's going to change here. Native Americans? Really?

I don't really believe anything bad would specifically come from building this mosque there, but in the name of keeping everybody happy, how about they just move it a bit farther away? Why hasn't this peaceful Imam proposed that yet?

I do find it funny that the same people that think Christians should be burned in gas chambers suddenly are all for religious freedom.

Once again, according to the lefties, we should be punished for our hard work and good fortune, well, the normal people like you and me, not the ruling class elite like themselves. And after a year and a half of apologizing, Barry has no more world respect than he had when he started, probably actually a lot less, he's the new world pansie. We're a horrible nation that persecutes everyone, yet everyone wants to live here, I just don't get it. :jackoff:

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Here's how much people believe in Keith Olbermann.

http://www.businessinsider.com/quart...graphic-2010-6

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What is there to not agree with?

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Nice post dizzle.

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Listening to him you'd think the Muslims were doing NYC a favor by allowing the World Trade Center to be built near their place of worship (which was there 4 months previous). Also, all his comparisons to current standing churches is completely luadacris. They are already there and have been for quite some time, completely different. And even the slightest hint of comparing this to the Holocaust? Give me a break!

Build the damn community center, but keep it that, skip the two floors of worship space and everyone will be happy. Or, just locate it elsewhere. Problem solved.

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Nice post, thanks for posting that. It's pretty much dead on. I'm not a fan of his, but I'll give him credit for having a clear thought and voicing it.

This topic is all over the news and the world of politics lately. But in regards to "why not just move the location?". Why? The religion of Islam(Muslims) didn't do 9/11, some extremists did. Muslims died in those buildings as well. By moving the location, in effect, it would be saying that Islam was the reason for 9/11. That is not the case. Thus, no reason to move an Islamic center for no reason.


Are you referring to Muslims? If so, Steve, you and I should chat some time about what is the truth about Islam/Muslims. Sounds like you've been filled with some garbage/propaganda/hate from somewhere.

Islam teaches/mandates respect for all other religions and specifically Christians and Jews as our brothers. We are all "people of the book". That's the way we see it, but I guess I can't speak for Christians or Jews.

With somewhere between 1.5 and 1.7 billion Muslims in this world, if Islam was what some mislead people believed it to be, the world would be in a constant state of religious war.

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What about it being a place where people can pray makes it a bad place?

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It's not? lol

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I assume you are joking. But if not, um no, not even close. And what is going on as "wars" is a completely different topic altogether.

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No shit. Religious or otherwise, what continent doesn't have some sort of war going on? I'm sure even the penguins on Antarctica are out for someone.

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My point was toward branding a religion based on a few. When there are 1.5 to 1.7 billion people, there is bound to be a certain percentage of people who are extremists. It's within every religion or organized group around the world. So to point to things like this "Ground Zero Mosque" and label it some kind of terrorist threat(by connecting it with 9/11 and some extremists) is obscene.

And if any of the big religions wanted to.. they could start a world war, not localized political/$ "wars".

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This whole debate about a "mosque" being put "On" Ground zero is all for political purposes. That is all people. This should NEVER have come to the federal level. It passed the city planning commission, and whatever other boards it had to go through to get approved. Its not ON ground zero, its not a Mosque. So why is this still an issue.
You have all been duped into thinking that somehow the federal government can or will do anything about this. In a country where 1 and 5 idiots think the president is a Muslim (and act like only Christians or Presbyterians can be president), this is simply a ploy to get people angry at the head of the democratic party (president) and raise this issue to the point where people are threatening violence against people who have done nothing wrong.
Take for instance, Timothy McVeigh, Should all Christians (or whatever his religion) be damned and hated because of him bombing and killing all of those people in Oklahoma city? He would be considered an extremist.
What about the KKK? They are an extremist faction of the Christians. So should we hate all people that are christians?
Matt D had it right in posting that video, and although we dont see eye to eye on a lot of issues im glad he does see through this bullshit.
With the amount of Muslims in the world today, there are bound to be extremist factions in there, but there is no reason to let these things elevate to the level where as goodhart put it "Good, now let's go crash a fuckin plane into it." for something that all the people in that "Mosque" had no part in.
But i guess its as we grew up, Guilt by association.
Salem Witch Trials
Crusades
The founding of America
The Thirty Years War
and i can go on and on and on.
There is more blood on the hands of Christians, Catholics, and Protestants than any other religion around the world.
So who should we be more afraid of? My Atheist self is saying fuck all your religion, Ill stick to that which we as humans can PROVE, and definitely not going for the whole 2000+ year game of Telephone.

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As mentioned already, the mosque isn't AT ground zero. It's NEAR ground zero:
http://thedeepsilence.com/wp-content...ueLocation.jpg

It's a couple of blocks away from the Ground Zero site. I don't see any big deal about putting it there.

later,
Curt

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GREAT editorial: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...s-howard-dean/

This article and it's support is a breath of fresh air.

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Momin, I'm not referring to Muslims with that statement at all, I was referring to the bulk of the more extreme liberals, most of which I'd say are white. I'm thinking of one person on another car board in particular.

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You really think the KKK is faction of Christians? You sir, are a dumbass. :jackoff:

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You can prove you are God? I'm impressed. BTW, a lot of atheists seem to change their mind near death. Maybe all that narcissism is just for show.

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Oh yeah, you talk to a lot of athiests right before they die? Was there a group of athiests polled right before they died "Hello sir, do you believe in god now? Thank you for playing a part in this poll, enjoy the afterlife"
And what part of my comment did i say that i can prove that I am god??? WTF?
Just for show? no, sorry i have trouble believing in fairy tales that were written when people still thought the world was flat.

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Look it up buddy. I can tell you they werent jews, they werent Muslims, and they definitly werent black. :jackoff:

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Who gives a fuck about the Mosque; its not going to change anything, but Mo you can't fault people for being critical of the extremists (and their religion) who attacked our country and killed thousands. Unless they are well educated on that religion or are very very open minded they are going to follow the media or their peers into being against building a building that promotes the religion that killed 3000 Americans on 9/11.

And encase you didn't know the extremists believe in collateral damage so they could give a fuck less if there was 50% Muslim and 50% other in that building, the point was to hit America where it hurt, and they succeeded. Its too bad that others that exercise the same religion as them have to reep the consequences but that's life, big deal.

Every post I have ever read on the internet since 9/11 that was made by someone who is Muslim has never chastised the extremists for doing what they did, but in most cases find themselves defending the fact that there are good Muslims and bad ones and you can't lump them all together. No shit, that's obvious.

But the last time I checked I don't see Grandpa and Grandma that are Lutheran going and commandeering a plane and flying it into shit.

I practice no religion, that's my choice, I think its all bullshit and doesn't change anything, it's a source of controversy that I stay far far away from.

If a Mosque is built in New York, it won't be there long, there are some crazy mother fuckers out there. :)

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I refuse to sit here and let you talk down on religion. When you can prove that there is or isn't a God, please let me know. You just struck a nerve with me and you need to watch what you say from now on.

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LOL, Just coming back at what Hill was stating about Athiesm. Sorry it struck a nerve with you, but it struck a nerve with me for what he said. So explaining my views i will not apologise for.
And by saying "Fuck all your religions" is to be taken more like "With all the BS that comes from organised religion, it is my personal belief that there are a lot of people out there that take religion word for word as the truth, i chose a different path of logical reasoning and not following blind faith without proof"

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LOL

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Lets all play nice as far as religion is concerned. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and to not have their beliefs (Christian, Atheist, Muslim, no opinion, etc.) trampled on by others.

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FTFY. :)

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I approve of this.

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The Plot Thickens.
http://www.newsoxy.com/entertainment...fox-14405.html

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How many times does it have to be repeated that it isn't a mosque, and it's not at ground zero?

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Did you just say they are putting a mosque at ground zero?!?!?!?!?!

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A what at where?!?!

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Was that directed toward me? On the link it starts off with Ground Zero Mosque, but mainly for the current Buzz word that fox news constantly uses, (rolls of the tongue better than Ground Zero Islamic center for the performing arts (ok i added the last 4 words but you get the point)). Isnt it funny that the main people shouting "OH NOES NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD" are the people getting paid by the person funding the Islamic center (for the performing arts (its gonna catch on i know it)).

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No, wasn't directed at you, just in general. I honestly can't even tell who is for or against it anymore, or why anyone is against it for that matter.

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I am for letting them build it, as it is not insensitive to the victims, its not on ground zero property, and not that it matters but its not a mosque. To me, this is all a political shade to raise hatred toward a LARGE group of people for what a small group within the large group did.
And talking heads calling it a Mosque ON ground zero, is implying that its going to be built on the grounds of where the towers used to stand. Which not only is it false, but its same type of propaghanda that hitler used to make the germans think that Jews were bad.

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It'll never get built. :lol: