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Goat Blower 08-30-2010 02:54 PM

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I thought that's what the $1T stimulus was for? So let's spend some more money because the first try did absolutely nothing to help jobs or the economy. Unbelievable.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...cting-signals/

Matt D. 08-30-2010 02:57 PM

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Since when does creating more debt improve financial growth?

tpunx99GSX 08-30-2010 02:58 PM

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NM.

Matt D. 08-30-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX (Post 355793)
Heres the true question. Why is this posted in the parking lot.

Please keep posts on topic.

1ViciousGSX 08-30-2010 06:04 PM

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How about a $1T tax break across the board??? Or better yet, send out $1T to all LEGAL citizens with an income of $500k or less and watch the economy take off. They have taxed and regulated themselves into control of YOU, and it's only going to get worse.

Kevin 1G Drummer 08-30-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 355831)
How about a $1T tax break across the board??? Or better yet, send out $1T to all LEGAL citizens with an income of $500k or less and watch the economy take off. They have taxed and regulated themselves into control of YOU, and it's only going to get worse.

The government can hand out money until there's no money left to give out, but it still will only be a temporary flattening out of the downward slope the economy is on. Until we get more good paying jobs back in this country so that the average middle class person has disposable income, no amount of stimulus is going to make a long term change. A few of the guys I work with say that they are making the same amount of money per hour that they were back in the early 80's. With the considerable increase in cost of living between now and then, there's not many people left with a lot of disposable income.

awd-drifter 08-30-2010 11:16 PM

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so when am I going to get my $10,000 credit card from the government?

*shakeshead* *sighs*

Kracka 08-31-2010 08:31 AM

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Had Obama just sat on his thumbs since taking office this country would be in much better shape.

Kracka 08-31-2010 08:47 AM

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http://www.foxnews.com/static/manage...ts_397x224.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-stimulus-act/

Really not a surprise this country is in ruins.

Kracka 08-31-2010 08:58 AM

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At least the citizens are speaking up:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...est=latestnews

GOP has the largest lead EVER over the dems:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...tions_pol.html

1ViciousGSX 08-31-2010 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin 1G Drummer (Post 355884)
The government can hand out money until there's no money left to give out, but it still will only be a temporary flattening out of the downward slope the economy is on. Until we get more good paying jobs back in this country so that the average middle class person has disposable income, no amount of stimulus is going to make a long term change. A few of the guys I work with say that they are making the same amount of money per hour that they were back in the early 80's. With the considerable increase in cost of living between now and then, there's not many people left with a lot of disposable income.

My point was that government controlled stimulus doesn't work. Why? Because it gets spent on "pet" pork projects that are way over priced (see the new high school in L.A.) and line the pockets of the already wealthy politicians. This does not make for a healthy economy. Only by having a lower and middle class of people with expendable dollars in their pockets you will have a healthy and growing economy.

Kevin 1G Drummer 08-31-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 355926)
Only by having a lower and middle class of people with expendable dollars in their pockets you will have a healthy and growing economy.

That was exactly my point, It's just that having a "small" amount of expendable money isn't going to do as much as having a regular supply of it, that only a good paying job can deliver.

1ViciousGSX 08-31-2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin 1G Drummer (Post 356068)
That was exactly my point, It's just that having a "small" amount of expendable money isn't going to do as much as having a regular supply of it, that only a good paying job can deliver.

And the same thing can be accomplished by tax cuts that make a real difference. Something the Dems seem to have a problem understanding.

Kracka 09-01-2010 04:55 PM

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"Spend more, tax less."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...rewell-speech/

You would think an economics professor would have a better understanding. Spending what wasn't there is what got us into the this mess in the first place!

1ViciousGSX 09-01-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 356197)
"Spend more, tax less."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...rewell-speech/

You would think an economics professor would have a better understanding. Spending what wasn't there is what got us into the this mess in the first place!

That woman is an idiot. :madashell:

tpunx99GSX 09-01-2010 08:40 PM

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LMFAO. Chris, i took that link where it says GOP has the largest lead ever and there was a poll that said "Do you prefer a Democrat or Republican Candidate?" I chose democrat and guess what http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll...ve=1&vote=vote Democrats are winning in a news artical about republicans leading.

jrohner 09-01-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by awd-drifter (Post 355895)
so when am I going to get my $10,000 credit card from the government?

*shakeshead* *sighs*

If you were a Somalian, you could move to Willmar and you'd have it ASAP and your bills would be taken care of too.

tpunx99GSX 09-01-2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jrohner (Post 356223)
If you were a Somalian, you could move to Willmar and you'd have it ASAP and your bills would be taken care of too.

Eh, not really a fan of blowing myself up though. ::Sigh:: Somalians got it easy.

jrohner 09-01-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX (Post 356239)
Eh, not really a fan of blowing myself up though.

But it would make your parents so proud.

tpunx99GSX 09-02-2010 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 356080)
And the same thing can be accomplished by tax cuts that make a real difference. Something the Dems seem to have a problem understanding.

But i thought you were against government spending? Tax cuts are Government spending.

1ViciousGSX 09-02-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX (Post 356281)
But i thought you were against government spending? Tax cuts are Government spending.

It's been a close race, but, this could take the top spot for stupidest shit you've said yet.

Explain it to us dumb folk so we can be enlightened.

tpunx99GSX 09-02-2010 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 356380)
It's been a close race, but, this could take the top spot for stupidest shit you've said yet.

Explain it to us dumb folk so we can be enlightened.

If you cut taxes, you have less money coming in. So therefore the government creates a bigger deficit by taking in less money, and being able to spend even less on our infrastructure where we absolutely need to put money. Make sense cupcake, or do we need to go back to 3rd grade math.

Kracka 09-03-2010 09:01 AM

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Tax-cuts are NOT the same thing as government spending. Tax less, spend less, perfect.

Matt D. 09-03-2010 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX (Post 356423)
If you cut taxes, you have less money coming in. So therefore the government creates a bigger deficit by taking in less money, and being able to spend even less on our infrastructure where we absolutely need to put money. Make sense cupcake, or do we need to go back to 3rd grade math.

Why do we even have to spend as much as we do? The government is in over its head in spending by funding frivolous and unnecessary things and spending far more than necessary for the simplest of goods and services. I'm all for less government, but the checks and balances are obviously not being checked and are not balancing. They need to take a page out of Toyota's book on what being lean is. A SOX audit probably wouldn't hurt, either.

Tax less, therefore you must spend less. Seems like a win/win if you ask me.

1ViciousGSX 09-03-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX (Post 356423)
If you cut taxes, you have less money coming in. So therefore the government creates a bigger deficit by taking in less money, and being able to spend even less on our infrastructure where we absolutely need to put money. Make sense cupcake, or do we need to go back to 3rd grade math.

It's been proven that when you cut taxes, tax revenue actually goes up because people feel more comfortable in spending the expendable dollars they now have. This makes a strong economy.

The basis of a strong economy is not supposed to be founded on government spending, but on private enterprise, or did you skip that day in 3rd grade when the rest of the class learned that, cupcake?

They would have plenty of already collected tax money to use on infrastructure if they would stop wasting it on entitlement programs and handing out money to illegal "baby factories" who are milking the system. The money has always been there for infrastructure projects, but it gets mismanaged and spent on way over priced projects by the people you put so much trust in, the government. And if you followed the money you would find that those pork/pet projects are some how connected to the very same person who pushed for it so they can receive monies from it for themselves. Can you say, "conflict of interest"?

Lets look at infrastructure:
They collect taxes from the sale of gasoline, they collect sales taxes on vehicles purchased new and through every resale of that same vehicle for the life of the vehicle, they collect taxes on your vehicle again if you move to another state with the vehicles you already own and paid taxes on, they collect taxes on motor vehicles through annual/semi annual registration renewals (although you still own it and nothing has changed), they collect taxes through motor vehicle inspection and brake tags, and the list goes on. All these tax dollars are supposed to take care of the infrastructure of roads, bridges, etc. In Louisiana a basic vehicle registration renewal is about $35, but if you have a personalized license plate like I do on Vicious, it cost me $75 for the same renewal. Why? The plates already stamped, it's already on my car, there's nothing different about how the system tracks it, whether the plate says ABC123 or Vicious, its just numbers and letters to the MV computer system. And lets not forget the the truckers who get taxed, fee'd and permitted to death just trying to make a living with their rigs. So where is all the money that has been collected and why is it not being used for it's intended purposes, cupcake?

What they need to do is cut taxes and stop all the wasteful spending that happens everyday in government. We as a country can't afford the spending Obama Inc keeps trying to push through. You know, those stupid projects that cost plenty of money like turtle tunnels, lighted frog tunnels so frogs can see where the tunnel is, a train rail system so the rich folks in San Fransisco can take a scenic ride through to the fine wine country, a gazillion digital converter boxes for outdated TV's that you could buy all day long for $40, but cost the government $150 each, and so on.

Here's a great list of waste http://coburn.senate.gov/public//ind...b-f5b9f21b3572 .

Ever heard of use it or lose it? That's a policy in government where you ask for and receive a budget for your department. If at the end of the year you have money left over you must spend it or have your next years budget reduced by that amount. My sister works for a government agency and every year she blows the left over money on crap she doesn't need to be able to keep and increase her budget for the next year. It happens across the board.

What about the wasteful spending that goes on in Washington, cupcake?

Tom, if you feel so strongly about higher taxes and government spending, you could voluntarily send in every dollar you have left over at the end of the day on your tax return at the end of the year. Or do you just send in what you have to like the rest of the Big Government/High Taxes crowd of hypocrites, cupcake?

Kracka 09-03-2010 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 356468)
In Louisiana a basic vehicle registration renewal is about $35

You should see what it is in MN :) Depending on the age of the car it ranges from $39 to $289 just for the annual renewal! When we moved to TX it cost far less to get a new driver's license, new plates, registration sticker, and inspection sticker than annual tab renewal alone in MN.

Kracka 09-03-2010 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX (Post 356468)
Or do you just send in what you have to like the rest of the Big Government crowd of hypocrites?

This.

goodhart 09-03-2010 10:51 AM

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In for Tom's reply to that lol

A//// Guy 09-03-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 356478)
This.

You forgot cupcake. :)

haha

1ViciousGSX 09-03-2010 04:19 PM

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http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Zn5uDOE-S5Q/TI...ATT0009311.jpg

1ViciousGSX 09-05-2010 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 356487)
In for Tom's reply to that lol

Tom has two weeks to put together a well researched and well though out rebuttal. :news:


Yeah, like that'll ever happen. :spin:


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