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way2fastalon 09-27-2010 12:21 AM
awd vs fwd
 
i have a fwd laser 91 with no engine or trans. i have a awd 91 talon with trans thats has a bad center diff .:jackoff: i am wondering if its worth converting to auto to avoid breaking things im about making good buys that last at this point i hear awd break more than fwd or auto break less im just about getting faster right out of the box .

im low on money and need to drive. The talon needs a diff or needs to be welded but i hear that once you weld it you throw out off the streetablity out the window ? and autos do seem to be faster i am wondering how would i build a auto trans like i seen in some you tube vids

Andrew7dg 09-27-2010 08:49 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
If you are going for cheapness, autos are not the way to go... Not only would you have to replace the trans, but the shift gear, petal assembly, computer, wiring harness, rear diff (autos use different gearing). Then build up the auto trans... expensive.

Not worth it IMO

AWD vs FWD?

Sounds like your FWD needs more parts then the AWD

Might as well save your money and fix your AWD trans or buy another transmission that someone is selling around here. After that it sounds like you are good to go. That is a pretty easy fix. The FWD needs an engine and a transmission.
If you plan on going in a straight line most of the time, then you could probably get away with welding your diff. If you are planing on making lots of turns then I would stay away from it.

twack 09-27-2010 11:31 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
if a center diff from a 92 will work i got a buddy who might be able to pull one out of a spare trans

T is for TURBO 09-27-2010 03:52 PM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
I am interested in purchasing your awd transmission with bad center diff.

bertrenolds5 09-30-2010 10:42 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
FWD is a lighter car and can be faster then an awd at higher speeds and corner better but an AWD will get off the line alot faster and it sounds like that is the way you should go. I've read that people are moving to auto trannies for faster shifts but they break alot easier/all the time and andrew pretty much summed it up.

19TsiAwd90 09-30-2010 10:48 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
honestly why would you pick fwd over awd? if your gonna have more thans 300hp your just gonna have traction probs

blackawdtsi 09-30-2010 10:52 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bertrenolds5 (Post 359714)
FWD is a lighter car and can be faster then an awd at higher speeds and corner better but an AWD will get off the line alot faster and it sounds like that is the way you should go. I've read that people are moving to auto trannies for faster shifts but they break alot easier/all the time and andrew pretty much summed it up.

Don't spread misinformation.

bertrenolds5 10-01-2010 11:26 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Misinformation about what? That a FWD can be fast then an AWD? or that it will corner better then an awd?


quote from another site
"technically fwd is better then rwd in tight and slow corners since it has most of the weight over the front where as a rwd has verry little weight bias, the fwd car can handbrake turn without lowering the engine speed much and on some occasions doesnt require clutching in at all where as a rwd must (an awd may or may not be able to do this depending on the type of center dif), on slow corners the fwd can enter at a higher speed and just lift off for extra grip and lift off oversteer while if the rwd car were to try the same thing it'd spin"

obviously awd all around is a better way to go but as a daily driver cornering at lower speed a fwd is technically better. And a higher speeds say over 100mps on a straight line a fwd car should beat an equally powered awd car. Misinformation my ass!

cmspaz 10-01-2010 11:28 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Time to turn off Initial D and come back to reality here, bud.

blackawdtsi 10-01-2010 11:34 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bertrenolds5 (Post 359908)
Misinformation about what? That a FWD can be fast then an AWD? or that it will corner better then an awd?

technically fwd is better then rwd in tight and slow corners since it has most of the weight over the front where as a rwd has verry little weight bias, the fwd car can handbrake turn without lowering the engine speed much and on some occasions doesnt require clutching in at all where as a rwd must (an awd may or may not be able to do this depending on the type of center dif), on slow corners the fwd can enter at a higher speed and just lift off for extra grip and lift off oversteer while if the rwd car were to try the same thing it'd spin
quote from another site
"technically fwd is better then rwd in tight and slow corners since it has most of the weight over the front where as a rwd has verry little weight bias, the fwd car can handbrake turn without lowering the engine speed much and on some occasions doesnt require clutching in at all where as a rwd must (an awd may or may not be able to do this depending on the type of center dif), on slow corners the fwd can enter at a higher speed and just lift off for extra grip and lift off oversteer while if the rwd car were to try the same thing it'd spin"

obviously awd all around is a better way to go but as a daily driver cornering at lower speed a fwd is technically better. And a higher speeds say over 100mps on a straight line a fwd car should beat an equally powered awd car. Misinformation my ass!
So what happens when your front tires heat way up from being used to brake and put power to the ground? Along with that, using the same thing you think is positive, how in the hell would more weight over the front wheels help?

There's a reason cars made for handling usually have a, ~50% weight distribution.

Do Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, and BMWs use RWD or AWD just because saying, "I have a rear wheel drive car." sounds better? How about "My engine is behind me."?

:lol: Get real pal.

blackawdtsi 10-01-2010 11:42 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
I almost forgot to add that it's well known in the DSM world that autos are incredibly strong. And that with an IPT built auto, you're pretty much not going to break it with power.

turbotalon1g 10-01-2010 11:43 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
To the OP, not everyone needs an auto, there are a ton of people on stock trans. that make more power than u will hit in a DSM also if you have to do the work to switch to an auto it wouldn't be worth it.

If you need a center diff, I have one available. If u need to keep it on the cheap get it welded.

FWD compared to AWD, I give the FWD big respect look at 4G63tcrazy his car is awesome, I think he put down less power and we ran on teh highway his car would fly even while spinning although he wasn't even on DRs or slicks.

I would say if you do FWD prepare to run DRs or a decent tire not just some random shit that you can get away with when using AWD.

RWD>AWD because you can do burnouts easier

blackawdtsi 10-01-2010 11:46 AM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Aaron, I agree with you that FWD as less drivetrain loss and is lighter weight. It shouldn't have been much of a surprise that FWD with less power beat you on the freeway. In highway runs, pretty much all that matters is power:weight. (traction is irrelevant 100+)

19TsiAwd90 10-01-2010 12:00 PM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackawdtsi (Post 359917)
Aaron, I agree with you that FWD as less drivetrain loss and is lighter weight. It shouldn't have been much of a surprise that FWD with less power beat you on the freeway. In highway runs, pretty much all that matters is power:weight. (traction is irrelevant 100+)
how is traction irrelevent? i just see it pointless to be buying tires to put on your front every moth because you cant keep from blowing the tires off the line.. im not bashing on anyones car im just saying spinning from a roll may be cool for a while, untill you go thru a couple sets of tires, and also i dont really concider going for a roll a race, only from a dig, i would like to see a fwd dsm beat a awd dsm from a dig.. if im wrong prove me wrong.. but traction is everything in racing you sound stupid saying its not even in drifting traction is key

blackawdtsi 10-01-2010 12:05 PM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19TsiAwd90 (Post 359922)
how is traction irrelevent? i just see it pointless to be buying tires to put on your front every moth because you cant keep from blowing the tires off the line.. im not bashing on anyones car im just saying spinning from a roll may be cool for a while, untill you go thru a couple sets of tires, and also i dont really concider going for a roll a race, only from a dig, i would like to see a fwd dsm beat a awd dsm from a dig.. if im wrong prove me wrong.. but traction is everything in racing you sound stupid saying its not even in drifting traction is key
You're actually the one that sounds stupid. I said 100+ at 100 almost every car should have traction no matter the tire. Hell Nate hooks at 110 with almost thread showing 2nd hand tires from Jeff Bobby and Steve's. But here you go writing a whole paragraph on something taken out of context. :jackoff:

And since I know from chat you're going to mention starting at 100 and that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying no matter where you start from you'll have it by 100.

19TsiAwd90 10-01-2010 12:08 PM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
by the time you "have it" by 100 the awd will already be in 5th doing 140.. and if your going to be going that fast on a highway your a dumb ass

Matt D. 10-01-2010 12:09 PM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bertrenolds5 (Post 359908)
Misinformation about what? That a FWD can be fast then an AWD? or that it will corner better then an awd?


quote from another site
"technically fwd is better then rwd in tight and slow corners since it has most of the weight over the front where as a rwd has verry little weight bias, the fwd car can handbrake turn without lowering the engine speed much and on some occasions doesnt require clutching in at all where as a rwd must (an awd may or may not be able to do this depending on the type of center dif), on slow corners the fwd can enter at a higher speed and just lift off for extra grip and lift off oversteer while if the rwd car were to try the same thing it'd spin"

obviously awd all around is a better way to go but as a daily driver cornering at lower speed a fwd is technically better. And a higher speeds say over 100mps on a straight line a fwd car should beat an equally powered awd car. Misinformation my ass!
What in the hell? Since when do you use a handbrake or clutch when racing around a corner? THAT is misinformation, and you need to stop spreading it.

tpunx99GSX 10-01-2010 12:11 PM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 359926)
What in the hell? Since when do you use a handbrake or clutch when racing around a corner? THAT is misinformation, and you need to stop spreading it.
Driffin FWD yo?!

tpunx99GSX 10-01-2010 12:14 PM
Re: awd vs fwd
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19TsiAwd90 (Post 359922)
, i would like to see a fwd dsm beat a awd dsm from a dig.. if im wrong prove me wrong.. but traction is everything in racing you sound stupid saying its not even in drifting traction is key
Take a gander at the current 14b (he moved up to a 16g) record holding dsm. its an Automatic and FWD. I believe he is in the 9s now, from a dig.

19TsiAwd90 10-01-2010 12:28 PM
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eveyone is entitled to an opinion, and mine is awd is better but thats just me


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