Build it or buy it, the debate
 

I like it when they have ambitious goals that they can actually achieve and not by simply writing a check.

Go get 'em.
(I still have that direct port setup)

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I like how it has become a sin to not be able to do your own machine work/block assembly etc on this site. Heaven forbid that people have other pressing things to do and don't have the know how/tools to complete said job. Excuse me for not being my own mechanic.

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Don't worry, it's only a matter of time. I never imagined I'd know how to do a timing belt, swap a headgasket, or even yank a trans. Sigh.

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Before your tampon gets all kinds of soaked, being a car guy you just naturally become more and more of a DIYer, I love cars and love to learn about them, but lately its becoming increasing that asshats show up with a check book and just write away to be popular and that is how this game is.

Now if you are one of those people that has the $$$ to do it then congrats to you, I know on more than one occasion that some of the jobs and the time constraints have made me wish that I could just pay someone to do it, I know B-man on here has been in the same boat and has paid local shops to do jobs he could of easily done if he had the time (other users too).

I think true DSMers, pride themselves on being able to be in the built not bought category most of the time. Plus if you have put anything together yourself I'm sure you know of the happiness and pride you have in whatever you have built, not just cars.

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I'd rather people be car enthusiasts by writing checks than not be interested in cars at all. John is one extreme, building and fabbing everything himself, and as much as you don't want to hear it our community needs both types of people.

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I am not mad, just making an observation...this site has always had that feel to it from Day 1, I am used to it now. I love to do stuff myself, and if I have the tools to do it I will for sure try!

Typically though, the stuff I have paid shops to do, it is cheaper to pay for labor than to buy the tools necessary to do it.

Also the car used to be my daily driver so I needed it done right and quick. Now with me having a back up car, I will try more stuff, because I agree doing stuff yourself is awesome! Nothing feels better than doing it yourself and having stuff work, puts a :D on your face.

John is for sure an extreme on this though, most people can't do this themselves even if they want to.

Enough off topic, i was just commenting, no more clutter here.

Re: Build it or buy it, the debate
 

Here you go, kids.

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Saw this coming, lol.

I shouldn't of replied even I figured this would happen, oh well no harm no foul I guess.

Thanks Matt D :)

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...because we need more drama. Exactly what I've come to expect from you, Aaron.

This topic is less a debate and more a personal choice. Not everyone likes to run around in ratty $500 1G's and not everyone wants to own a $50k+ Evo. Good thing there is plenty of middle ground so we can all find exactly where we fit in this community.

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Thanks matt d.

If you pay to get work done I hate you and think you smell, even though my friends own a shop and my brother works at one and my cousin owns his own shop too.

Oh and I can do anything, even though I just did my first ball joint and tie rod ends. 1st time using a ball joint press not as scary as I thought.

Kracka I was kinda bored and sitting on the throne.

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haha :D

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My experience has been quite the opposite. Talonevo could get an entire motor rebuilt within a month, including ordering parts and machine work. It took DB five months to get Dave's car done. It doesn't really seem to matter if you have the money to pay somebody or not because there are only so many trustworthy people out there...and they have 20 other customers in line.

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Your throne is made of recycled car parts. You may want to go get a tetanus shot.

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Theres really no debate. If you have money to pay people do to the work, go ahead. If you dont have the money, you are stuck doing it yourself.

Im kinda of in the middle. I like working on things, but if I were loaded id probably hand piddly stuff out to a shop. I am not loaded though and like to save as much money as I can, and also have access to every tool I need.

Having a shop build your car from the ground up is lame though.

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I'm understanding that I am coming off quite opinionated here.
In case anyone didn't know I wasn't attacking anyone on here, if it wasn't for some of these crazy shop/customer builds I wouldn't see any awesome HP cars and for those that didn't know that is how I found the site, paying LSE to do a timing belt job when they had some special. Then it became my only car and I needed a clutch and they cut me a smoking deal and did the clutch and I threw in a fuel pump too.
A couple of weeks later welcome to dyno day and car starting on fire.

Sorry I don't care to always nut hug, but don't take me so seriously online I'm way too full of shit for anyone to do that, if you think I am being serious just ask.

But on topic, I "think" i'd rather build than buy, but too many times have I wanted or said when elbows deep in something that I wish I would/could pay someone to do it. My personal goal is to build an engine though even though it might be cheaper/easier/faster to buy one new or used.

Matt D. - who told you I got a welder? :squint:

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Man I have to hop in on this one. I have so many ideas when it comes to fabbing up things. . .most have already been created after a little bit of research, but still can be simplified. I think the worst is when you know how to, and your capable of the DIY, but as mention you dont have the tools in some cases even time. It brings real joy when i can help my friends do a brake job or spark plugs, or a gasket, oil change etc. See them enjoy trying something that they wouldn't of ever dared by them self. Help save money that can be put to a different use.

Granted i am jealous sometimes, of people that can buy and get it built. Yet ive learned to be happy for them so they can enjoy what they have. After all they worked for it. I use to enjoy working on cars a lot more because i didnt know how to drive them (Backwards i know) now that i can actually drive its 20 Times better working and driving. The point people that can buy, but maybe not built shouldn't show of in a disrespecting way, running there mouth.

People that can Build but cant buy shouldn't cry, and complain there time will come. People that can build and buy DO IT UP & DONT BE AFRAID TO ANSWER A NOOBS QUESTION without making them feel stupid. Unless they are acting a fool!

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I built my awd spyder from bone stock incluting all the motor besides the machining of it. I can't imagine how much it would of costed if I would of had someone do the entire thing for me.

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Who knows if I can build a motor? Haven't started it up yet :D

I didn't machine the block myself I paid someone to do that, should I hang it up and quit while I am behind? ;)

I'll tell you what annoys me in the enthusiasts community, people that believe EVERYTHING that is posted in car forums and keep regurgitating it everywhere. People that call shops expecting free tech support over the phone, especially the "I'm all out of ideas and tried nothing" types. They are not going to buy a thing, they want services for free over the phone, but you have to help them or else they will bad mouth you over the internet. :(

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Honestly, Ill buy it to a certain point, on certain conditions.
If i were to buy another dsm, it would be ideal to already have the 6bolt in there and internals built, and perhaps a built head. Other than that little things like dsmlink etc. Mainly because i have already gone through all this with previous cars, and have always lost my ass in the end. I would rather have the parts already paid for and have the seller lose their ass than myself. :) but thats just me.

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oops, should have read the rest of the thread. hahah