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But the Bill of Rights guarantees you and me the right to keeps and bare arms. Notice its a "Right" and not "Permit" which really makes the CCP a farse anyway.
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This discussion is causing me to hit the limits of my thoughts and knowledge on 2nd amendment rights, so I'm doing some research into what the 2nd amendment actually means. The first legal case I've come across that set a precedent for the 2nd amendment was United States v. Cruikshank on March 27, 1876. Relating to the 2nd amendment, in a nutshell the Supreme Court interpreted it as limiting the federal government's powers on our right to bear arms. According to the ruling, it does not affect states rights to restrict gun rights.
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The conservative argument has facts and data on its side showing that when a city/town/municipality allows it citizens CCP gun ownership, crime rates drop by a good margine because criminals are less likely to go after a victim if there is a strong possibility that they are carrying. I'm sure that if your life was threatened you'd rather be armed than not.
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I'll look into the CCP crime rate data to see what I can find. I'm open to
shift my opinion if I can find solid data.
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Sure it takes a human being with a gun to kill another human being. Same as a baseball bat, knife, hammer, crowbar, etc. So why do we keep blaming the gun? And that goes for school shootings too. Take away the gun and it would be school knifings (we have those), school bombings (we have those) school beheadings (we have those) and so on. That's where my statement about teaching the value of life comes in, its not the gun, its the individual.
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Guns came into existence as a result of a drive to win wars with a more efficient weapon. They are more efficient, with the exception of bombs. But, guns are much more readily available and usable than bombs. Nobody is arguing for the right to carry bombs.
I just randomly pulled up the 2011 CDC Homicide data and firearm homicides accounted for 68% of all homicides that year.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
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My comment about a world without police revolves around whats happening with police getting turned into targets these days by race baiters, protestors, politicians, etc. And those same groups are doing the same thing to gun owners. Sure there are some bad cops out there, just as there are bad criminals with guns. But we can't say all cops are bad because thats just not reality, the same as saying all gun owners are dangerous. So do you want all cops gone because of a few bad apples? Same thing goes for gun owners. Either one could save your life at any given time.
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To get into what is happening with the protests and race, we should probably start a different thread lol. On your other point though, I am not for having all guns banned, but I still believe in some level of gun control that is above the current levels.
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Gun control laws will not get guns out of the hands of criminals. The idea is to minimize opportunities for criminals to get guns that are not currently in their hands while allowing the lawful public to still have guns. The idea of disarming the public is a scare tactic to get people fired up.
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And if you really get pass the emotion and think about it, why go after lawful gun ownership and not criminals? Seriously think about that.
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I will give it serious thought. I haven't quite figured out yet whether you are for no gun control whatsoever though, or for no more than there already is.
I understand your argument about punishing lawful folks for a few bad apples. I'm not even unsympathetic to the argument. I just don't believe there's a cut and dry answer.
On the subject, Japan has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world along with strict gun control laws.