Staggered Wheels on AWD

scorcho96 · 02-23-2010

I was curious if you could run staggered wheels on an awd? Particulary an awd 1g? My cousin has a 335xi and he was also curious if he could run staggered wheels on his car? Does it cause damage to the drivetrain? Thanks

Matt D. · 02-23-2010

Do you mean width or circumference? You can run different widths (though I don't know why on a street car) but the tires must be the same circumference all around. If you have different sizes of tires it will cause excessive wear on the differentials.

Also, being close isn't good enough. That's why you need to replace all four tires on an AWD car even if one is bad, or have the tread on the new one shaved down to the same height as the other three.

**Kracka** · 02-23-2010

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Originally Posted by matt d.

do you mean width or circumference? You can run different widths (though i don't know why on a street car) but the tires must be the same circumference all around. If you have different sizes of tires it will cause excessive wear on the differentials.

Also, being close isn't good enough. That's why you need to replace all four tires on an awd car even if one is bad, or have the tread on the new one shaved down to the same height as the other three.

+1

123abc · 02-24-2010

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Originally Posted by Matt D.

Do you mean width or circumference? You can run different widths (though I don't know why on a street car) but the tires must be the same circumference all around. If you have different sizes of tires it will cause excessive wear on the differentials.

Also, being close isn't good enough. That's why you need to replace all four tires on an AWD car even if one is bad, or have the tread on the new one shaved down to the same height as the other three.

/thread.

4g63tcrazy · 02-23-2010

As long as the rolling diameter of the wheels is the same on all 4 you will be fine. That could be hard to do though with different widths and heights of the tires from front to back.

b00sted_spyder · 02-23-2010

If he's planning on using the wheels from the 335xi, it won't work because BMW has a 5x120 pattern.

**Goat Blower** · 02-23-2010

All I've ever seen is theory on this. I'm convinced if the rolling diameter is within 1-2% from front to back, there will be no issues. Considering most DSM's out there these days are running four different tires and I'm not seeing blown VC threads every week, I'm inclined to think it's not much of an issue. I'm going staggered on my 1G this spring when I find a deal on the narrower front wheels I need. I'll report my findings of actual real world data.

turbotalon1g · 02-23-2010

^Its official you have lost your mind.

**Goat Blower** · 02-23-2010

Yeah, but wait to you see the tuck, pure sexy baby. You can't hang.

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 02-24-2010

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Yeah, but wait to you see the tuck, pure sexy baby. You can't hang.

You joinin' hellaflush?!?

Google it if you have no idea what I'm talkin' about.

95tsi · 02-24-2010

Stock Jeep SRT8: 255/45-20 front and 285/40-20 rear Factory OEM runflat Goodyears.

**Goat Blower** · 02-24-2010

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Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo

You joinin' hellaflush?!?

Google it if you have no idea what I'm talkin' about.

Oh, I know, I've looked at thousands of pics when I was deciding which wheels to get.

Not quite what I'm going for, for me it's more about sitting flush with wheel lips. I've always hated that the rear wheels sit farther inboard relative to the fender lip than the front, even more so with my shortened rear lower control arms done before there was any sort of camber adjustment made for 1G's.

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 02-25-2010

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Oh, I know, I've looked at thousands of pics when I was deciding which wheels to get.

Not quite what I'm going for, for me it's more about sitting flush with wheel lips. I've always hated that the rear wheels sit farther inboard relative to the fender lip than the front, even more so with my shortened rear lower control arms done before there was any sort of camber adjustment made for 1G's.

It's good to know not all of your styling is from the 80's

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I do remember having a 7.5" rear wheel with a +32 offset being kinda flush-er than your avg wheel. This is what i was using when I bought my new wheels......

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

It helped a lot in all of the wheel options' flushnesses when looking at other people's wheel setups.

scorcho96 · 02-23-2010

No im not using bmw rim's. I was just curious if the rims are both 18's but the rear are wider than the fronts. also my cousin is buying 19's for his 335xi and he asked me if he could run 245 width in the front and 275 width in the rears without ruining things. (both rims being 19 inchs). Thanks

Kevin 1G Drummer · 02-23-2010

Even though the wheels are the same diameter, the tires may not be. You would have to calculate the rolling diameter of the tires and make sure it's the same between the sizes. A 245/45/18 tire isn't the same diameter as a 275/45/18.

96GST16g · 02-23-2010

if you have the right tire size number like 205 40 r what ever it wont matter as long as it isnt like a 205 45 r what ever because im pretty sure that one tires gonna have a little bit less tread then all the other 3

4g63tcrazy · 02-23-2010

As long as the rolling diameter of all 4 tires are the same, you will be fine. End of thread.

awd-drifter · 02-23-2010

At Discount Tires, we can not install staggered rims onto awd vehicles because of any issues that involve the possibility of drivetrain damage. Personally...I would put it on just for the 'badass' look LOL, but I haven't seen any real world damages with awd having staggered fitment. But, having if you have 205 fronts with 245 rears, it will eventually possibly damage the drivetrain because of different traction the tires have.
I can see having 18s all around with +25 fronts/-5 rear offset with the same tire size...but the tires have to be the same all around.

(note: in class right now if post doesn't make sense

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**goodhart** · 02-23-2010

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Originally Posted by awd-drifter

At Discount Tires, we can not install staggered rims onto awd vehicles because of any issues that involve the possibility of drivetrain damage. Personally...I would put it on just for the 'badass' look LOL, but I haven't seen any real world damages with awd having staggered fitment. But, having if you have 205 fronts with 245 rears, it will eventually possibly damage the drivetrain because of different traction the tires have.
I can see having 18s all around with +25 fronts/-5 rear offset with the same tire size...but the tires have to be the same all around.

(note: in class right now if post doesn't make sense

...)

Staggered as in the width, not the circumference.

awd-drifter · 02-23-2010

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Originally Posted by sleepydsm

Ok some of you clearly don't understand what the numbers on a tire sidewall mean.

lol...so a 60 series is low profile right? lol.

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Originally Posted by goodhart

Staggered as in the width, not the circumference.

that's what i meant.

hmm...googled 'staggered talon' and found this