Does anyone run an auto DSM?

[Outlaw1]

Anyone? I'm still seriously considering an auto swap for my '90 AWD TSi. With ITP selling 4K rpm stalls for $475 I'm wondering why more people aren't going auto.

[1ViciousGSX]

Yes they do, but 5 speeds are more fun to drive. Although some are finding out that an auto can be just as fast as a 5-speed, if not faster.

[Outlaw1]

Have you seen the auto that ran 10.0 with a stock auto w/restalled converter, stock longblock, GT35R and spray? 1.4 sixty foots.

[TheBlizzard]

Originally Posted by Super4x4Duty

Have you seen the auto that ran 10.0 with a stock auto w/restalled converter, stock longblock, GT35R and spray? 1.4 sixty foots.

Yes, I have seen video of that car. Its a daily driver as well with no nitrous I believe.

[TheBlizzard]

Auto are definetly a great choice if doing a all out drag car. There are more and more fast auto DSMs coming out. Many of them in the 10s on stock trannies, with the exception of stalls, shift kits, and end clutches. Yes a 5 speed is more fun to drive on the street however an auto in my opinion is way more reliable when it comes to DSMs. If I were to build a all out drag car DSM I would definetly go auto, either that or a shep dogbox.

So it all depends on how much power you want to make and what you want out of the car.

[Outlaw1]

Personally, I think the cable operated shifters in a DSM is comparable to shifting with a wet noodle. My first manual trans was a Muncie shifted by a Verti-gate, so my opinion is a bit skewed. I have a different idea of what a manual shifter should feel like. I still laugh when I see how small the clutch assembly is in a DSM. It's just so damn cute!

[Outlaw1]

I was talking about Lee's GSX.



91 Auto Talon
1.40 60ft
6.37@108mph
10.00@133mph


Gt35r, 272 cams, magnus intake, 3 inch exhaust turn dowm under rear axles, race core intercooler,dsmlink, restalled stock convertor, welded center diff, IPT push button shifter, shift kit. Stock motor, 75 shot for spool, some weight reduction.

[Jana]

I ran my auto gsx, but it takes alot more money I think to make them go faster.

[Outlaw1]

Originally Posted by DSMChick

I ran my auto gsx, but it takes alot more money I think to make them go faster.

It depends on what you want it to do. A restalled converter is $475, shift kit is around $75. A trans controller can be a DIY thing with a couple of relays or you can pay $500 for an ITP setup. Don't forget a good trans cooler. The car mentioned above has only these trans upgrades.

A manual trans will require at least a good clutch. $350? That's given you have a good hydraulic setup and the trans functions properly. Good luck pulling a 1.4x sixty foot, even on the bottle.

[niterydr]

They can be built very very fast and can be reliable. The automatic transmission is the Ultimate drag trans.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Autos are the hot setup on 1Gs now. A bunch of people have run 10s lately with higher stall torque convertors and stock to near stock auto trannies. One of the guys even made some paddle shifters for his. 1.4 60's are common for the auto guys running fast.

[Outlaw1]

Originally Posted by ecoli

Autos are the hot setup on 1Gs now. A bunch of people have run 10s lately with higher stall torque convertors and stock to near stock auto trannies. One of the guys even made some paddle shifters for his. 1.4 60's are common for the auto guys running fast.

Yup, I've seen two different paddle shifter setups.

http://www.tcugo.com/

[Jaei Sun]

That's my plan with the other talon. 3200 stall ipt tq converter, end clutches and their reworked valve body. This should really wake up the t28 that I put on earlier this year. You can see the engine making boost but it doesn't get to the wheels.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by ecoli

Autos are the hot setup on 1Gs now. A bunch of people have run 10s lately with higher stall torque convertors and stock to near stock auto trannies. One of the guys even made some paddle shifters for his. 1.4 60's are common for the auto guys running fast.

Are any of the fast FWD guys running autos?
I've always loved autos for drag racing. No missed shifts and dead on consistancy, not to mention faster shifts and less gears to row through.

[Outlaw1]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

Are any of the fast FWD guys running autos?
I've always loved autos for drag racing. No missed shifts and dead on consistancy, not to mention faster shifts and less gears to row through.

There's a Colt with a home built auto that went 9.70's.

[Pimpin Dsmstyle]

If you can take the tranny out if your car, you can install a shift kit. There is really nothing complicated. If you want to make a much better difference, install different clutch packs. Get more plates, with a thinner diameter. The more clutch plates / steel plates you use, the quicker the impact of the shift.

Automatic trannies are simple. If you have a grasp of hydraulics and can identify the parts inside an AT tranny, you can do anything with them. The planetary design can simply just hold more power than the weaker setup of an MT. Instead of having 2-3 teeth holding gears together, you have entire gears driving / being driven by other gears. Just makes more sense.

However, for street driving, I hate AT trannies. Boring, gay and STUPID problems come up. Diagnostics on an MT are a little easier than an AT unless you understand the active parts in an AT. Power cycle.

Bernie, you are clearly right on if you want to make your car as fast as you can while still reliable. AT all the way old man

[Outlaw1]

Originally Posted by Pimpin Dsmstyle

However, for street driving, I hate AT trannies. Boring, gay and STUPID problems come up. Diagnostics on an MT are a little easier than an AT unless you understand the active parts in an AT. Power cycle.

You just have to be smarter than the transmission. Ask KC how dumb his 5-speed is. That TOB was squealing it's butt off last night. After some wrestling and another TOB, all was quiet again. We'll see how boring it gets when we launch with full boost and a bottle.

Originally Posted by Pimpin Dsmstyle

Bernie, you are clearly right on if you want to make your car as fast as you can while still reliable. AT all the way old man

I still see a BJ's headed 2.4, GT35R, auto w/4k converter and spray in my future. Just gotta wait for the right deals to come along.

Beyond all that, I'm just tired of shifting. My King Ranch has spoiled me.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by Pimpin Dsmstyle

If you can take the tranny out if your car, you can install a shift kit. There is really nothing complicated. If you want to make a much better difference, install different clutch packs. Get more plates, with a thinner diameter. The more clutch plates / steel plates you use, the quicker the impact of the shift.

Automatic trannies are simple. If you have a grasp of hydraulics and can identify the parts inside an AT tranny, you can do anything with them. The planetary design can simply just hold more power than the weaker setup of an MT. Instead of having 2-3 teeth holding gears together, you have entire gears driving / being driven by other gears. Just makes more sense.

However, for street driving, I hate AT trannies. Boring, gay and STUPID problems come up. Diagnostics on an MT are a little easier than an AT unless you understand the active parts in an AT. Power cycle.

Bernie, you are clearly right on if you want to make your car as fast as you can while still reliable. AT all the way old man

Sounds like someone has been learning at school . Good job.

[Pimpin Dsmstyle]

Yes I have learned a lot, but if I keep missing school like I have the last couple weeks, it will be a short term learning streak for me. I already hate school with a passion. I hate the fact that it costs me money, otherwise I wouldn't mind it. But you have to spend money to make money right?

[1ViciousGSX]

Does the AEM EMS allow for shift control of the auto, or does some other tcu have to be there also?