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[TheBlizzard]

Originally Posted by Pushit2.0

Motec and a few other weird ones.~John

What car did you assist tuning a Motec? What version was it? Was it a high end version or a lower version like a M4 or M48? They are really high end systems, the same system that Rau runs.

Motec has some really cool stuff out there for a price. Gotta love technology.

[PSI2HI]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

What car did you assist tuning a Motec? What version was it? Was it a high end version or a lower version like a M4 or M48? They are really high end systems, the same system that Rau runs.

Motec has some really cool stuff out there for a price. Gotta love technology.

Motec wouldn't be so bad if there components and add on's weren't so damn expensive. I looked @ one for my IS and all said and done it was over $6k.

[PSI2HI]

My 1G made 416whp on 19 psi, 92 oct in 2002, what do i win?

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by PSI2HI

My 1G made 416whp on 19 psi, 92 oct in 2002, what do i win?

A cookie and a piece of pizza or a hot dog if you come to our opening party in April .

[TheBlizzard]

Are any of you experienced in setting up base maps. Thats where it get pretty tough tailoring a stand alone to closely match someones mods. Most of the good ones (AEM) have wizards for a lot of things but there is still a lot that has to be setup.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Are any of you experienced in setting up base maps. Thats where it get pretty tough tailoring a stand alone to closely match someones mods. Most of the good ones (AEM) have wizards for a lot of things but there is still a lot that has to be setup.

John has the 105th ever made EMS for the dsm's. That base-map was originally setup by Ryan, John, and I back in 2002? Early 2003? Hell if I remember. Something stupid like version .63 or .78 or something. We've been dynoing since way "back in the day" when 400whp was unheard of on pump gas (until we did it in the galant). The good old days, when 500whp was a lot, not the norm ::shrugs::
I know we've been using Elite's dyno since 2001. John has busted drivetrain infront of the shop (funny stuff looking back on it) but we've never nuked one on the dyno.
We've also never had a motor come apart now that we are on the "prove yourself" mode.
None of us are "Godlike" tuners that tune cars 24/7 (yet, lol!) but its not like we've never seen a "dyno thingy" before.
We do appreciate the inquiry and the concerns.

Edit*
Hell the first time we used Elite's dyno, Issac was "the tuner/dyno operator", and Devon was still there. I think Shane was doing his IT stuff at the time.

[niterydr]

The majority of the popular tuning systems. EMS, Emanage, S-afc, gm maf-t setups, dsmlink, eprom ecu tuning and chip burning, split second, DIY wideband stuff, Z-Tronix wideband stuff, innovative wideband stuff.
Its more of knowing the vehicles, and knowing how to manipulate the software properly.
Each manufacture, and more importantly each CAR wants different amounts of timing, fuel, boost. We are going to classes to make sure we know what we think we know (never hurts to learn). Then it is a learning curve, like John mentioned.
We will never claim to be the "experts" on any tuning software, piggyback, or standalone ecu, because as we haven't invented it, and tuned every car available for it, on every possible setup, you can't be the expert.

[Pushit2.0]

We did spend time on the little things that makes the EMS great. We started from nothing and built all the maps to our liking. We set up the cold starts, hot starts, idle, crusing, throtle tip in, etc. I drove the car everyday and in the winter. Started and drove like a champ everytime unless the normal DSM tranny issues or somthing came up. I also would get 25mpg driving around, kind or normal anyways.

~John

[TheBlizzard]

What all cars have you dynoed personally?

[niterydr]

I've honestly "tuned" or assisted in tuning, about 1/2 half of the cars on this board, at one point or another.
Since John worked at Elite, he had a hand in MANY cars and the tuning of them.
Due to the fact that we are just buying a dyno now, many vehicles have been street tuned ( I know, tsk tsk, not safe), or on other people's dyno's (Elite, RS-Motors, Hi-Tech Motorsports, and that one place in BFE john went to).
The street tuned cars were done 90% of the time on our own wideband.
Some of the "highlights"
Johns Galant, 423whp, 22psi, pump gas, EMS. Cira early 2003. That was with that "monster" 60 trim he ran.
John's talon, 516whp 454tq, S-AFC and Maf-T, same setup. Again that "super cool" 60 trim.
Then we switched to the EMS and got 532whp and 500ft/lbs torque.
Scott's 2.4 2g with no boost to redline (aka 30psi by 4k, 20psi by redline, no downpipe, gotta love that "Huge ass" scm61 with the stage 3 wheel he has)
476whp, 523tq. Dsmlink, and we just "gave up" tuning it as the boost wasn't there. The peak power and torque was at less than 25psi.
Carry's 2g was fun on Rs Motors dyno. I think I had 420whp by 4k? and again at 7k? Gotta love spark blowout on stock wires.
90% of Barton's setup we can lay claim to. (He has gotton REALLY REALLY good at tuning since moving to Flordia). We use to help him when he lived around here.
I remember we street tuned Marcus's car. That car "ripped" at 18psi on pump gas (woot a Mutt turbo!)
The point is, we've tuned enough backasswards setups to know when "enough is enough".
And we've tuned enough "good setups" to wish we had a dyno to play on all day. Which we now do .

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Originally Posted by niterydr

I've honestly "tuned" or assisted in tuning, about 1/2 half of the cars on this board, at one point or another.
Since John worked at Elite, he had a hand in MANY cars and the tuning of them.

This board has 870 members, are you really saying you have tuned half of them? John didn't have much to do with actual tuning at Elite, besides his own car.

When I was doing IT work back in the 90s and early 2000s, I was also tuning cars on the street, like you guys have been the last few years. I used to do all the street datalogging and crap also. Me, Steve and some of the other older school guys spent plenty of nights and weekends making tuning runs at Red Rock and other industrial parks before we even had the luxury of widebands. My car made 400whp on pump gas at 22psi back in 2001 and 460whp on race gas at 25psi.

[Black97civic]

Originally Posted by ecoli

This board has 870 members, are you really saying you have tuned half of them?

How many of them acutally post. How many of these members have been here more than once? I think what swanny is trying to say is that he has tuned probably half of the "O.G.'s" cars.

The dudes everyone knows or knows of.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by ecoli

This board has 870 members, are you really saying you have tuned half of them? John didn't have much to do with actual tuning at Elite, besides his own car.

When I was doing IT work back in the 90s and early 2000s, I was also tuning cars on the street, like you guys have been the last few years. I used to do all the street datalogging and crap also. Me, Steve and some of the other older school guys spent plenty of nights and weekends making tuning runs at Red Rock and other industrial parks before we even had the luxury of widebands. My car made 400whp on pump gas at 22psi back in 2001 and 460whp on race gas at 25psi.

LOL, I didn't look at the member base. Okay, I'd probably say I've "assisted" in 1/2 of the active members on here? I forget we get a few members signed up a day that never post, just want to play in the arcade.
I wasn't trying to be-little your tuning shane at all! I was just stating that we aren't exactly "new" to the community and have been around nearly as long as the original "old school" guys. We were part of the 2nd wave of now "old school" members, about 1-2 years after the original guys (you, hill, Kris Ali, Shindley, etc).
John meant that he helped via giving input if he had any, and learning stuff off you. I would say we actually "know" all the mitsubishi related tuning software. Some of the other stuff (split second, motec, emanage) have been a few sucessful encounters, but far from "knowing" it like I know those damm S-AFC's, dsmlink's, and EMS's.
I've done pulls at Red Rock before without widebands before, those buggers were EXPENSIVE! Even for the DIY kits! Narrow band tuning, IDC logging, and 02 monitoring was the rocksaurs I tell you. Then going back to NABR and seeing what others were getting. Hell I remembe when you (or was it Hill?) vouched for me back in 2001 as a "member". Then I got dropped due to AOL owning all, and NABR not liking it (I didn't like it as well!).
By the "first" I ment out of the privateer within our "group". The older school members (like yourself) never posted or talked to us "noobs". Within our "cult" of people, AKA the dsmstyle guys we play poker with, the applebee's/KK members, etc...we were the first to 400whp on pump.
All I was saying is that we've been around as privateers tuning.
Don't worry, you still have me by about....2000 dyno hours? LOL.

[niterydr]

Also, we are more than welcome to having people tune their own vehicles. Tune it yourself, bring a tuner, we don't care.

[Goat Blower]

Hah, I remember Shane and I testing one of his setups on an industrial road up by my house in BP. I'd operate the G-tech and we'd make a pass and make some adjustments. Ahh the good old days.

BTW, I've been doing the DSM thing since 1997, there wasn't much of a scene at the time. There was only about three people that I know of here that were around in the 90's.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Hah, I remember Shane and I testing one of his setups on an industrial road up by my house in BP. I'd operate the G-tech and we'd make a pass and make some adjustments. Ahh the good old days.

BTW, I've been doing the DSM thing since 1997, there wasn't much of a scene at the time. There was only about three people that I know of here that were around in the 90's.

1997?
WOW! We started with DSM's in 2000. I'd call us "2nd wave". We started with cars in general in about 1997.
Woot, 8th grade rocked! (1997).

[PSI2HI]

98 for me, got my 1st DSM when i was a sophmore in high school. Im sure some of you old schooler may remember it from back in the day. First time we ever went to Rock Falls we met Norm and stayed @ his place. Got damn that was a long ass time ago.

[Kevin 1G Drummer]

As far as the low hp wars go, I have a truck that could decimate all... It's an '86 nissan 4x4 that can hardly make it to 50 by the end of most freeway entrance ramps with the pedal to the floor... haha

[Kevin 1G Drummer]

Oh, btw... Congrats on the shop expansion. I haven't been to your place yet, but it sounds like you have a pretty sweet place

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by Kevin_1G_Drummer

Oh, btw... Congrats on the shop expansion. I haven't been to your place yet, but it sounds like you have a pretty sweet place

Thanks.
The "before" pictures are all up, or rather of the current shop, on the website. We'll be taking pictures throughout the build, dyno install, and other updates as we go along.