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Old 06-22-2006   #1
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Re: Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*

Oxycontin is a pain killer not a controlled substance but nevertheless I'm very sorry to hear about your friend, Tom and I have a friend who got in a really bad car accident and she barely lived and now she has to take Oxycontin to control pain because she lost the part of her spine that normally controls it.
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HA HA HA, Lampshape, What propaghanda are you talking about? Are you saying that pot is good for you? That it makes you smarter? That it makes you more healthy? Im sorry buddy but it doesnt do any of the things above that is for DAMN sure.
To those saying alcohol is the best drug. By far are wrong. Alcohol and cigarettes are far more addicting and kill far more people.
Face it people, everything in this world is gonna kill us eventually, but how you want to spend the rest of your life is up to you.
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No, that is exactly why it isn't a gateway drug. That is the real definition fo a gateway drug, not what the "propaganda" of the war on drugs would have you believe. Alcohol and nicotine are actually more likely to be considered gateway drugs by definition, but since they are legal, you won't hear the government say that.
Ok you cant talk for the rest of the night, that was just stupid. Your talking about addiction not being a gateway.
Being that everyone has been saying "by definition of gateway drug" i have a strong feeling that the Definition of a gateway drug is getting really blurred in all of this.
So i will give you the ACTUAL DEFINITION of Gateway drug: "DEFINITION OF GATEWAY DRUGS - Gateway drugs are those drugs with which people first experiment, and which often lead to the use of more dangerous drugs. Traditional gateway drugs are alcohol, cigarettes, and marijuana. " - http://www.chdonline.net/drug.asp
There is no "Propaghanda" in that definition what-so-ever.
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HA HA HA, Lampshape, What propaghanda are you talking about? Are you saying that pot is good for you? That it makes you smarter? That it makes you more healthy? Im sorry buddy but it doesnt do any of the things above that is for DAMN sure.
To those saying alcohol is the best drug. By far are wrong. Alcohol and cigarettes are far more addicting and kill far more people.
Face it people, everything in this world is gonna kill us eventually, but how you want to spend the rest of your life is up to you.
What propaganda?!?!? Are you fucking kidding me? Haven't you ever heard of the movie Reefur Madness? It's possibly the fucking dumbest movie ever. And there are other moives and they say shit like you'll wind up killing someone or you see yourself as a zombie or a werewolf from merely smoking pot. Granted that Reefur Madness was made in the 30s' but I can guarantee you that the pot they had back then was no where near as potenet and the shit you can buy today, but I'm not going to go into that. I've never hallucinated or come close to it when I smoke and It's never been said either by anyone. Also, watch that Penn & Teller show on HBO called Bullshit about the War on Drugs and tell me there's no propaganda about drugs. Also, I want you to fucking tell how I am saying that pot is good for you, makes you smarter, and makes you more healthy. What the fuck kind of super crock bullshit is that? Looks like you just said "Abrakadabra" and POOF!!! You pulled that comment out of the void of time, which also happens to be your ass. Actually, I've always wanted to see a void in time, what luck that it's in MN.
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Looks like you just said "Abrakadabra" and POOF!!! You pulled that comment out of the void of time, which also happens to be your ass. Actually, I've always wanted to see a void in time, what luck that it's in MN.
Actually genius, he lives in California.
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Ok you cant talk for the rest of the night, that was just stupid. Your talking about addiction not being a gateway.
Being that everyone has been saying "by definition of gateway drug" i have a strong feeling that the Definition of a gateway drug is getting really blurred in all of this.
First of all, the thing you are calling a gateway drug actually doesn't really reinforce the gateway theory, but they stepping stone theory, look it up sometime, interesting read. The gateway theory basically says that people don't do coke or heroin without first trying "lighter" drugs like alcohol or marijuana, but can stay in a stage of just use of alochol, or marijuana. The stepping stone theory is more in line with what you are saying, in which the different drugs represent stones in a river, and once you start you have to keep going one way or the other, either toward hard drug addiction, or sobriety. The way most of you seem to be describing the whole gateway thing is making it into a very black and white issue, when there is really just a whole shitload of gray.

Secondly, you picked a definition of a gateway drug that follows your argument, and happens to side with the "war on drugs" because the government never lies to us or anything...

Anyway, here is some information I found interesting while looking up information on gateway drugs.

Q: Does marijuana lead to the use of other drugs?

A: Long-term studies of high school students and their patterns of drug use show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana. Using marijuana puts children and teens in contact with people who are users and sellers of other drugs. So there is more of a risk that a marijuana user will be exposed to and urged to try more drugs. However, most marijuana users do not go on to use other illegal drugs.

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STUDY SAYS MARIJUANA DOES NOT LEAD TO HARD DRUGS

WASHINGTON ( Reuters ) - Countering a basic principle of American anti-drug
policies, an independent U.S. study concluded on Monday that marijuana use
does not lead teenagers to experiment with hard drugs like heroin or
cocaine.

The study by the private, nonprofit RAND Drug Policy Research Center
rebutted the theory that marijuana acts as a so-called gateway drug to more
harmful narcotics, a key argument against legalizing pot in the United
States.

The researchers did not advocate easing restrictions in marijuana, but
questioned the focus on this substance in drug control efforts.

Using data from the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse between 1982 and
1994, the study concluded teenagers who took hard drugs were predisposed to
do so whether they tried marijuana first or not.

"Kids get their first opportunity to use marijuana years before they get
their first exposure to hard drugs," said Andrew Morral, lead author of the
RAND study.

"Marijuana is not a gateway drug. It's just the first thing kids often come
across."

Morral said 50 percent of U.S. teenagers had access to marijuana by the age
of 16, while the majority had no exposure to cocaine, heroin or
hallucinogens until they were 20.

The study, published in the British journal Addiction, does not advocate
legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana, which has been linked to
side-effects including short-term memory loss.

But given limited resources, Morral said the U.S. government should
reconsider the prominence of marijuana in its much-publicized "war on
drugs."

"To a certain extent we are diverting resources away from hard drug
problems," he said. "Spending money on marijuana control may not be having
downstream consequences on the use of hard drugs."

Researchers say predisposition to drug use has been linked to genetic
factors and one's environment, including family dynamics and the
availability of drugs in the neighborhood.

Study done by RAND, their website is www.rand.org

Here is a metaphor for what I am trying to explain, and shows how people misunderstand what a gateway drug really is.

A similar statistical relationship exists between other kinds of common and uncommon related activities. For example, most people who ride a motorcycle (a fairly rare activity) have ridden a bicycle (a fairly common activity). Indeed, the prevalence of motorcycle riding among people who have never ridden a bicycle is probably extremely low. However, bicycle riding does not cause motorcycle riding, and increases in the former will not lead automatically to increases in the latter.

from www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org

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Oh, and by the way whoever it was that called me an alcholic. Until you meet me and know that I'm deffinately not an alcoholic, kiss my ass. That isn't anything to play around with either but I'll spare you.
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That was me Tauni, And I have met you multiple times. I was just grouping you into a general steriotype, much like the one you made of me just a few posts ahead of that one.
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That was me Tauni, And I have met you multiple times. I was just grouping you into a general steriotype, much like the one you made of me just a few posts ahead of that one.
I have not met you other wise I would know your name.
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I have not met you other wise I would know your name.
Oh, but you have...
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K well I'm not clogging the thread with this so check your PMS
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Matt D. and Thor I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Well its not something to fuck around with. Taking it for medical reasons is a whole different ball game. Taking it to get a high is dangerous.
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I didn't generalize a thing. I have a small handful of friends who smoked pot, and heck I tried it with them a few times but almost got caught so I quit. All of my other friends who smoked it, moved onto acid. Only one of them stopped it and joined the Army, all the others aren't doing well at all. It makes me glad I stopped. Again I don't care what any of you do. I personally just chose not to do it. I'm not saying you're an idiot, I'm not saying think like me, just stating my small experiences with what it did to my friends, and that makes me glad I stopped so quickly, and glad I am not doing it now.

As far as saying that we are the ones generalizing, I am not a "we", and you are doing it just as well saying "everyone on here is like everyone else you met besideds your close friends", or "everyone on here is so close minded", or "everyone on here doesn't like drugs because of propaganda". I have my own opinion, you have yours, and that's fine with me. Some people seem to be getting real butthurt. We live in a free country, everyone can do and think as they please, so who gives a shit if someone else doesn't agree with you. I sure don't care.
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I am not a "we", and you are doing it just as well saying "everyone on here is like everyone else you met besideds your close friends", or "everyone on here is so close minded", or "everyone on here doesn't like drugs because of propaganda".
It's not generalizing with 95% of you are acting like that, and also, I said that there are some exceptions in this topic, some being 2 and there are 4 pages of replies so it's pretty safe to say that the majority of you are being close-minded.
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It's not generalizing with 95% of you are acting like that, and also, I said that there are some exceptions in this topic, some being 2 and there are 4 pages of replies so it's pretty safe to say that the majority of you are being close-minded.
I think he just explained to you that we are not being closed minded. Especially those of us who have reasons not to agree with you. Thats not being closed minded thats learning from others mistakes.
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It's not generalizing with 95% of you are acting like that, and also, I said that there are some exceptions in this topic, some being 2 and there are 4 pages of replies so it's pretty safe to say that the majority of you are being close-minded.
You have 10 people posting in this thread. 2 of which you say are open minded. Out of nearly 200 people that have visited the site today, read this thread and not I'd say we only have those who have the right to express their thoughts. In this case, you are being just as close minded to their thoughts. Open minds need to see all directions before they become near sighted.
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A gateway drug is a drug that's use causes people to move on to harder drugs. People who start out smoking pot and move on to harder drugs is better explained by the age, availability and willingness to use drugs of the individual. For instance, someone who is in 7th grade is probably not going to know much about hard drugs much less where to get them from, but they are going to know about, and where to find pot. If that person is willing to try any kind of drug, they may be the ones that grow up and get into harder stuff, but it's not because marijuana was the gateway to the harder drug use. Marijuana only comes first because it is more available which is where people get the idea that it is a gateway drug, but it really isn't.
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Hahaha I was waiting for that to come up!
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