I just want to take a quick poll...

[Febo]

I have to agree with slowboy right now. You guys earlier up on this page are blaming a man who isnt even president. If anything you should all be bashing the rock brained idiot who is sitting in the big chair right now. Hes the one who has effed this economy by out sourcing jobs, improper tax cuts, and non govt regulation of the health care system which has rocked employers who want to offer benifits, and has rocked people dependant on medicine. Everyone says trickle down economics is the way to go, the only problem with a trickle is it only takes one stone to stop it and have it pool.

[merkzu]

Originally Posted by RLFebo

I have to agree with slowboy right now. You guys earlier up on this page are blaming a man who isnt even president. If anything you should all be bashing the rock brained idiot who is sitting in the big chair right now. Hes the one who has effed this economy by out sourcing jobs, improper tax cuts, and non govt regulation of the health care system which has rocked employers who want to offer benifits, and has rocked people dependant on medicine. Everyone says trickle down economics is the way to go, the only problem with a trickle is it only takes one stone to stop it and have it pool.

I'm not a big Bush fan, but can you explain what jobs Bush outsourced, or why outsourcing has effed the economy? If I wanted to start a gig selling ethanol gauges and had the guys in Belgrade making them for me, am I effing the economy? Should the government step in and say I can't do that?

What improper tax cuts were made, and how did they eff the economy? Can you explain how the government removing capital from private businesses and consumers improves an economy?

What non gov regulation in healthcare has rocked employers? How has government regulation made health care cheaper? Do you think it would be cheaper if competition was encouraged instead of restricted?

Have you thought about any of these questions?

The economy is mostly screwed because of the housing market collapse, and Bush had pretty much nothing to do with it. Maybe you should look into who the politicians were that encouraged subprime lending and who was involved at Freddie/Fannie. As a hint you will find a lot of "D"s

I'm not blaming Obama (tho his stint as a lawyer representing ACORN is pretty bad), but you sound like a lot of Bush haters I know that just kind of repeat what they hear

[john]

Originally Posted by merkzu

The economy is mostly screwed because of the housing market collapse, and Bush had pretty much nothing to do with it. Maybe you should look into who the politicians were that encouraged subprime lending and who was involved at Freddie/Fannie. As a hint you will find a lot of "D"s

Here you are trying to point the housing crisis at the democrats, F-ing rediculous. It is america that is to blame for the housing crisis, if the demand wasn't pushing the mortgage lenders, this wouldn't have happened. It is easy to blame this on Freddie/Fannie but this wouldn't have happened if the opportunity wasn't there. If were were responsible people who knew that not all of us could afford a house, there wouldn't have been any pressure on them to act.

I agree that this is not bush's fault but don't try and point the finger at democrats. They couldn't do anything on their own.

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by merkzu

The economy is mostly screwed because of the housing market collapse, and Bush had pretty much nothing to do with it. Maybe you should look into who the politicians were that encouraged subprime lending and who was involved at Freddie/Fannie. As a hint you will find a lot of "D"s

Since when do politicians grant loans???? Last time I checked it was financial institutions making these loans. Fannie and Freddie bought the loans from financial institutions if you didn't know. They don't have offices open for people to go into to get a loan. The only reason Fannie and freddie are having problems is from people not paying their loans. It has nothing to do with home values. Regardless of home values, if people were paying their loans as the terms stated, they would be doing just fine.

[JET]

Originally Posted by RLFebo

I have to agree with slowboy right now. You guys earlier up on this page are blaming a man who isnt even president. If anything you should all be bashing the rock brained idiot who is sitting in the big chair right now. Hes the one who has effed this economy by out sourcing jobs, improper tax cuts, and non govt regulation of the health care system which has rocked employers who want to offer benifits, and has rocked people dependant on medicine. Everyone says trickle down economics is the way to go, the only problem with a trickle is it only takes one stone to stop it and have it pool.

Outsourcing of jobs was done with NAFTA (remember when CLINTON passed this through? ) and how can lowering taxes possibly hurt the economy? Lowering taxes means there is more money in the economy, which actually strengthens it. We are a capitalist society, why should goverment control our private party health care system? It doesn't work well in any other country where it is implemented, so why do that here?

[john]

Originally Posted by JET

Outsourcing of jobs was done with NAFTA (remember when CLINTON passed this through? ) and how can lowering taxes possibly hurt the economy? Lowering taxes means there is more money in the economy, which actually strengthens it. We are a capitalist society, why should goverment control our private party health care system? It doesn't work well in any other country where it is implemented, so why do that here?

How can lowering taxes ever help a country which is trillions in debt and struggling to balance the budget? There is no proof that lower taxes means more spending, especially in a recession. People are more likely to save the money as they do not know how bad times are going to get. I know that I didn't do anything special when I recieved my stimulus check, did you?? It just went in my account and was used like normal. No increase in spending.

[JET]

Originally Posted by john

How can lowering taxes ever help a country which is trillions in debt and struggling to balance the budget? There is no proof that lower taxes means more spending, especially in a recession. People are more likely to save the money as they do not know how bad times are going to get. I know that I didn't do anything special when I recieved my stimulus check, did you?? It just went in my account and was used like normal. No increase in spending.

Now how about actually reading my post? I know you have taken economics classes, so you know lower taxes raise the amount of money in the economy. A stimulus check is not lower taxes. Lower taxes will always mean more money in the economy, whether the money is in a bank where they can use it for more loans or if it is spent. I said nothing about this being good for the country's budget. So if your stimulus check "went into your account and was used like normal", does that mean you spent the money and it went into the economy?

[john]

Originally Posted by JET

Now how about actually reading my post? I know you have taken economics classes, so you know lower taxes raise the amount of money in the economy. A stimulus check is not lower taxes. Lower taxes will always mean more money in the economy, whether the money is in a bank where they can use it for more loans or if it is spent. I said nothing about this being good for the country's budget. So if your stimulus check "went into your account and was used like normal", does that mean you spent the money and it went into the economy?

Ok, this is for sure my last post on the thread, but I want to respond to this.

I did read your post, I talked about the stimulus check as the stimulus check is also a way of keeping money in the economy. What is the difference if the government lowers your taxes, or takes your tax, and gives money back???? No difference, it has the same effect, more money in the economy.

As far as my check went, my spending did not increase because of it, nor do I know anyone who said, "wow, I can go buy this now."

Matchbox - If I see wrong information, I am going to try and correct it. I am a tax accountant (business taxes) and know that most people don't care about taxes aside from wanting to pay less. Taxes didn't get us into this mess, and they are not going to get us out.

It has a bad few years for the republican party mostly because the state of our economy. Not that it is Bush's fault, or the republicans, but it is easy for people to point the finger at the man at the top.

Ok, now I am done on here. Maybe someone should payban me to raise money for the site as I probably pissed alot of you off