March for health care!

[Matt D.]

People are finally thinking for themselves, showing up in droves to town hall meetings showing their dislike of the proposed health care plan, and you have the audacity to think that it is entirely the media's doing for changing the way people think? Have you seen any video from these town hall meetings? The people that are supposedly helping run this country hardly know anything about the reform, and some of them even have the guts to admit that they are going to support it regardless of what people want because they believe it is the right thing to do even if it costs them reelection.

Don't know what I'm talking about? Watch these...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVCdz2507u8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Bpshk5nX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRRg7T6vcB4
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblo...nterests-my-d/

Ordinary people standing up for what they believe in. Don't tell me this is all the doing of conservatives. There are just as many democrats as there are republicans against this whole thing. It's funny how standing up against Obama magically makes you a conservative. Seems like childish name calling to me. Check out my voting record to see how un-conservative I am.

Gotta love Reagan predicting the future...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

Now, why is our current health care so bad? Those of us that work hard and have jobs have health care. If you don't work you have to buy it elsewhere. Saying it's not available to everyone is a lie, anyone can get it. After high school I was working but didn't have health care, and since I wasn't a student at the time I couldn't be covered under my parents. I was injured and ended up signing up for some simple health care through the state to help offset some of the costs. It was pretty cheap and was easy to do.

Now that I'm older, have a career and my employer is covering most of my health care costs even though they sky rocketed last year. I also suffer from a chronic illness that requires constant medication and frequent hospital visits. I refill three prescriptions a month. I don't have to wait weeks on end to get an appointment. My out of pocket expense limit for hospital visits is $2000 a year which I easily meet. This is a small price to pay for the awesome care I receive in order to keep me healthy.

Oh, and Obama's approval rating is spectacular... Must be all of the closet conservatives, huh?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Ga...-Approval.aspx

[Captian James F. Awesome]

I don't think any state anywhere mandates employer coverage. What's the difference if it's mandated or because of competitive advantage? They still end up having to provide it becuase that how the current system expects it to be provided.

[Matt D.]

This just in...

WHIP COUNT: DEMS LACK THE VOTES
Wed Sep 09 2009 17:03:37 ET

At least 44 more moderate Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record in opposition to the current health care bill in the House, Hill source claims. Likewise, at least 57 liberal Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record saying they will vote against a health care bill without a strong public option. In other words, unless multiple Democrats flip on their stated position on health care, Speaker Pelosi lacks the votes to pass a bill through the House on the strength of Democrat votes alone.

57 Liberal Democrats to vote no on a bill without a strong public option

On July 31, 2009, the Congressional Progressive Caucus sent a letter to Speaker Pelosi expressing their opposition to a weakening of the public option. The letter on behalf of 57 Progressive Democrats concludes, “In short, this agreement will result in the public, both as insurance purchasers and as taxpayers, paying ever higher rates to insurance companies. We simply cannot vote for such a proposal.” The text can be read here: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/upload...%2030%2009.pdf

Full text here: http://www.drudgereport.com/flashwc.htm
Democrats have majority control and can't even pass their own bills. I'm sure Tom will bitch about me linking Drudge Report and Youtube, but we are in an information age, so deal with it.

[tehehodi]

whats health care?


i like webmd.com

continue on..............

[Jakey]

Roads? Yeah ok, our crumbling national transportation infrastructure is definitely something the government can manage.

[tpunx99GSX]

see post #2

If you have something to say, say it intelligently w/o insulting others.

[Halon]

Why part of not agreeing with this idea automatically makes someone a Republican?

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by Halon

Why part of not agreeing with this idea automatically makes someone a Republican?

That's the same question I'd like answered. It's not just this, but anything related to Obama.

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

Hmmmmm... a public option? Hmmmmmmm..... taxes! Unfortuantely...

That's be my best guess, but I think a lot of people know and believe that there is so much waste and fraud and other b.s. in the system that the savings from that could come from there alone to fund it, that is for the 3-5% of people that would go for it.

But that's just a scenario for a public option. It's not like a public option is what's gonna happen here, who the hell knows what's gonna happen. Shit, God himself is probably crackin' a beer and eating cheetos and scratchin' his head.

[john]

^^ Well good for you. I bought a house when I was ~19 and going to college. Since I didn't live at home anymore I was not covered under our familiy insurance. Coverage was too expensive so I couldn't afford any. My old job didn't offer it so I was without for over 3 years. If there was a reasonable option I would have gotten it.

The problem I see with inusurance is that most people are suckered into buying cadillac policies when they do not need them. I was talking to a partner at my work and he was saying how expensive it was due to this reason. I never get sick (haven't missed a day of school or work since HS and I probably wasn't sick) and only need insurance to cover disasters. At our firm, health partners does not offer such a policy. I probably wouldn't have health insurance if it wasn't paid 100% by my work.

1QUICK4 - inusurance companies do try and force you to go to certain doctors, they call it being in the network. If you want to go to a specialist, you typically have to get a referral by someone in the network to get out. An example of this was when a doctor at Park Nicolate had to refer my mom to the Mayo Clinic.

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by john

I have a feeling that most of the people who argue politics on here have no idea what is going on. They hear their parents or friends talk down on the plan (or other issues) and think that it is the best side of the story.

This is not a personal attack on you, but what you said is complete idiotic. The majority of the people on this site are adults who are smart enough to do their own research and make rational decisions based on facts.

I could just as easily turn your statement back onto you and say that you have only heard what your parents or friends have said to you.

So don't assume or "have feelings" that the majority of Style members are uneducated peons who spit rhetorical bullshit that they heard from others.

Originally Posted by john

I bought a house when I was ~19 and going to college. Since I didn't live at home anymore I was not covered under our familiy insurance. Coverage was too expensive so I couldn't afford any.

You had enough income to afford a house, and had income to pay for all of the utilities and upkeep that comes with owning a house. But you couldn't afford health insurance?

Maybe your priorities were not aligned with what you should have done in the situation... I'm not sure, and I'm not assuming. Could you have rented an apartment and had money to pay for health insurance? Again, I don't know and I'm not assuming anything.

inusurance companies do try and force you to go to certain doctors, they call it being in the network. If you want to go to a specialist, you typically have to get a referral by someone in the network to get out. An example of this was when a doctor at Park Nicolate had to refer my mom to the Mayo Clinic.

Yes, most insurance companies prefer you go to a doctor that is in network. A doctor that is contracted with the insurance company so that rates for services are already set. Insurance companies do this to keep costs DOWN.

On any insurance plan, you can go to any doctor you want, but if you choose to go to a doctor that is outside of the network, that is your choice and you have to pay for it.

The days of the HMO are over for the most part. The majority of health insurance plans these days are set up so that you do not need to be referred to a specialist. Why? Because why should the consumer or health insurance companies pay two claims when only one visit is needed? Again, it tries to keep costs down. If a specialist is needed that is not within the network, then yes, you need a referral to, again, keep the total cost to the consumer down.

But your one example of your Mom being referred to a specialist is far more convicing than the 10 million claims my company processes each month.

So really... whos the one talking about this subject from what they've heard from their parents? :P

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by john

Go back to page 1, hit Ctrl + F and search for Obama. First you will notice that the first post by Joesushi mentions him, then you will see it on posts by:

Matt D
Tom
A/// Guy
Fattyboombatty
Halon

If you would've read the posts you will see there is only one post talking even remotely bad about Obama and that was Matt D. So get over this he's your President blah blah blah. Nobody is arguing that. We are arguing healthcare.

Originally Posted by john

^^ Well good for you. I bought a house when I was ~19 and going to college. Since I didn't live at home anymore I was not covered under our familiy insurance. Coverage was too expensive so I couldn't afford any. My old job didn't offer it so I was without for over 3 years. If there was a reasonable option I would have gotten it.

If healthcare was that important to you you could've adjusted your life to have it. Don't make it out that it wasn't available to you because it was. It seems you'd just rather spend your money on a nice house, your education, and your toys. There were and are many affordable plans out there.

Hell, I lived on my own from the time I was 16 on and I've always had healthcare. Sure sometimes it is a higher deductable plan but guess what. I don't go to the doctor for bullshit like most people. It will save your ass when you need a $190K operation or procedure. When the bill is $190K, $5K deductable is very resonable

There is coverage out there right now for under $100 a month.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by john

^^ Well good for you. I bought a house when I was ~19 and going to college.

Beat a dead horse much? Vipers, buying a house when you're 19, get over yourself. My point was that the system worked for me when I needed it and it was extremely affordable.

[A//// Guy]

I only posted about Obama because Tom brought him in here saying we are all AntiObama... which despite the fact I am, I focused on healthcare. May want to read the posts before you just start throwing my name in there.

[Captian James F. Awesome]

FWIW, for the guys talking about the state of Minnesota provided healthcare, it should be noted that we have some unusually generous benefits utilizing one of the only working healthcare co-ops in the nation (Healthpartners). Some look to it as a model of what the nation could adopt as part of it's policy.

[Halon]

And I also question the reasoning of purchasing a house at the age of 19, and having the means to do so and afford all your "toys", but not having enough for healthcare. Like was said, if healthcare is that important to you, then how was that not accounted for in your own personal budget before purchasing a house as a teenager?

At the same time though, I don't know your personal situation and there may be a very good reason for it all.

I wonder though, do you feel bad for those who complain that are on welfare, no insurance, yet drive around in nice Cadillac's? Or do you feel that maybe if they're in that kind of situation, maybe they should consider re-prioritizing their budget?

[Kracka]

Instead of talking about how much stuff you bought and all your fun toys, maybe you should instead tell us how you've help benefit society and spread the wealth rather than how you've profited off it. After all, that is what socialism, which you seem to love, is all about. Funny how hypocritical people become when you start talking about their personal wealth rather than just the citizens and taxpayers as a whole.

[john]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Instead of talking about how much stuff you bought and all your fun toys, maybe you should instead tell us how you've help benefit society and spread the wealth rather than how you've profited off it. After all, that is what socialism, which you seem to love, is all about. Funny how hypocritical people become when you start talking about their personal wealth rather than just the citizens and taxpayers as a whole.

Was I supposed to benefit society? What have you done? I guess you could say I take unlivable houses and make them livable for a family in my spare time. Does that count???

You can read every thread I have posted and you will not find the word "socialism" in my post nor anything saying that I support the idea.

What also makes you think I am wealthy??? I go to work like everyone of you. I am 2 years out of college, I don't make that much. I have a side business with the houses but that just keeps me busy.

Funny seeing this comment from the guy who posted no personaly attacks on the frist page of this thread. I am the hypocrit.

Obviously me chosing to buy a house at a young age was based on priorities. I couldn't find coverage which was economical for me. I only need a "disaster" type of coverage which was not available or I couldn't find it.

I am not someone who is sick all the time or had the need for health care. I would like to limit my risk if possible though. Only times I have been to the doctor in the past 10 years would be required shots (if any) or injuries at work (stitches, etc).

I have insurance provided by my work. I am not giong to comment on people who I don't know (ie cadilac driver). I am no different than anyone else on here, I go to work, do my job, and get paid. I dont see how I am "profiting from the system".

[Forced Fed]

This should be a post about how we should be marching AGAINST Obama's health care, not for it.

[311evo]

Originally Posted by Forced Fed

This should be a post about how we should be marching AGAINST Obama's health care, not for it.

I think it pretty much is right now.

Remember how much shit was talked about bush by the Liberals (and some conservatives)?

That was after years of being in office, people don't just sit back and take whatever shit their government throws at them because "He's our president and theres nothing we can do about it."

Everyone in here is just stating what they believe in, and where our government should stick their healthcare plan. But I suppose that makes us "Bible thumping inbred racist conservatives" heh?