Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by scheides

LOL, mike remember dave doesn't swing like that

But yea, its true. Stock turbo is a lot of fun, but you'll always be looking ahead for more more more.

True, but talking to Ron made me realize I am not crazy. He agreed that a 380whp (that is what his X was making before he put it back to stock) X was just not nearly as fast as a 380whp 8/9.

He said they felt completely different and thought i would be happier in the 9 with my power hungry attitude.

I am still not saying I am going with anything yet, in fact just last night i convinced myself to build the X, or so i thought. Now when i woke up 180 degree switch. It is a very big decision for me, not going to happen just yet.

That is why I figured I would ask you scheides to see what you think.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Murlo26

That is why I figured I would ask you scheides to see what you think.

Perhaps we should do a poll.

1) Fix the X.
2) Buy a IX.
3) STFU with all the waffling.

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by scheides

I thought your car felt just as fast as my car with the BBK on alky, just not quite as torquey and I could tell the BCS was slowing the spool (after a shift) a bit, but that's the ecu-geek in me over-analyzing. X also needs NLTS asap. My X honestly does not feel any more heavy than my SSL Evo8, and feels just as (if not more) nimble through the corners, even on snow tires. Once I get a few more power mods done on mine, we'll do some testing & comparing sessions with a few other cars and see what's what in the real world.

There is definitely a certain rawness that the X lacks that my 8 had, but I keep thinking about all the little stuff I did to the 8 to make it what it was: rear diff bushings, properllershaft bushings, short shifter and associated bushings, front motor mount, etc etc etc. When I get all of this kind of stuff on my new car I'm praying hughes still owns his IX (we had sooo many of the same mods, such good combos) so I can fly down, take it for a spin, and re-ponder this.

Honestly that day my X wasn't doing the in between shift lag nearly as bad as it normally was but maybe i should just go with a MBC until NLTS comes.

It has been so long since I had my 8 that I can't remember, but from what I do remember, the 8 felt quicker, probably the torque, but it just had a different feel to it. I agree the X feels way better turning, but if you look at the power band of say Jim's FPred car vs. mine, my car spools sooner by quite a bit, so low end is better, but his midrange somehow passes mine up and then the x repasses at the top. So this is probably why the 8/9's feel faster, because on the street that latter spool is actually what you see on the street since most people downshift so it's more in the powerband.

Ron's opinion and observations still are weighing heavily on me right now. I know I will always want more, its the nature of the game, but I am so nervous that I will build the motor and then that will blow and then I am totally fucked. I mean 9 grand to build a motor, plus i need to buy a beater for the time being...it is so much damn money on cars it's crazy.

Obviously I could put a stock motor back in for quite a bit cheaper. But then the natural course of wanting more would set in and I would end up paying for labor twice, and that is a lot of labor. So i don't think it makes sense to not build the motor to keep the X.

The thing that appeals to me the most about going to the 9 is the plethora of options, the already very well documented abilities and what each mod does and obviously the lighter chassis, since if anything the drag strip is more my style. Not to mention after all is said and done, if I picked up a 9 with decent mods on it for 23-25k, and I parted the X out or got what i wanted out of it with all the mods included. I would actually not really have a car payment.

Hopefully it makes sense why I would want a 9.

Originally Posted by mlomker

Perhaps we should do a poll.

1) Fix the X.
2) Buy a IX.
3) STFU with all the waffling.

Added..minus the third...well I am going to try

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Murlo26

I parted the X out or got what i wanted out of it with all the mods included.

You owe money on the X. I also think you're dreamin' as far as what you're going to get for a blown car. You do recall that scheides just bought a working car for $24k, right?

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by mlomker

You owe money on the X. I also think you're dreamin' as far as what you're going to get for a blown car. You do recall that scheides just bought a working car for $24k, right?

Yup...but that one needs love, body work etc.

I don't think I am dreaming at all..I am not asking 24k with the blown motor unless they want an array of mods.

I am asking 21k with the stock blown motor and all stock components.

The car with a proper motor is kbb'ed at 28.2k right now. I could invest 5 (probably 6 with labor of a straight swap) grand and replace it with a stock motor and sell it for at least 27k, and that would still have some good upgrades with it.

It is a deal and will take a person that wants mods to realize it, that is why i have priced it the way i have. So people will negotiate.

I only owe 10k on the car and do have like 4k right now.

The head could potentially be fine in which case I could put it back to stock for possibly cheaper even.

Not sure how the prices are off, I think they are very fair honestly for how much money/labor is in the car. I would be losing a ton selling it obviously, but then I avoid having to invest any more into it.

[LingLing]

Originally Posted by Murlo26

Yup...but that one needs love, body work etc.

I don't think I am dreaming at all..I am not asking 24k with the blown motor unless they want an array of mods.

I am asking 21k with the stock blown motor and all stock components.

The car with a proper motor is kbb'ed at 28.2k right now. I could invest 5 (probably 6 with labor of a straight swap) grand and replace it with a stock motor and sell it for at least 27k, and that would still have some good upgrades with it.

It is a deal and will take a person that wants mods to realize it, that is why i have priced it the way i have. So people will negotiate.

I only owe 10k on the car and do have like 4k right now.

The head could potentially be fine in which case I could put it back to stock for possibly cheaper even.

Not sure how the prices are off, I think they are very fair honestly for how much money/labor is in the car. I would be losing a ton selling it obviously, but then I avoid having to invest any more into it.

First off, Brookdale Mitsu has a brand new X for $24k. I think most people would take the brand new one, regardless of the mods you have.

Secondly, mods to not add to the value of the car. Nor does having a shit load of labor in to it. Labor is like gas, you buy it because you need it, but you can't add what you've used on the value of the car.

Yes Scheides' car is a little, ummm "worn", but it's perfectly functional. Seems like your sights are set a bit high for what you want.

For the $24k you could have the following.
1)Brand new X from Mitsu
2)A car in similar condition as Scheides'
3)An X with a blown motor that requires at least $5k to get it on the road.

I think the answer is pretty obvious here.

I say sell the X and buy a IX.

Or like C3LICA said, buy a DSM if you want cheap power.