Climate Change - Stop the bullshit already.

[A//// Guy]

About what I expected from Steve, no actual facts or discussion. Also lol at cheese factory. Toxic gases in my pants also rise to extreme levels after some tacos.

If you don't have any useful rebuttal, why post.

While I do agree the temp swings are drastic over centuries and even longer, the scientific evidence from ancient times is that, factual evidence. The issue is pollution and other man made changes and how they affect the earth, not just temps. If you cant see humans having a negative impact hen you dont really know how things work.... I think most people who have posted are on board with that. Select few don't seem to be though, everything is magically okay.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

About what I expected from Steve, no actual facts or discussion. Also lol at cheese factory. Toxic gases in my pants also rise to extreme levels after some tacos.

If you don't have any useful rebuttal, why post.

While I do agree the temp swings are drastic over centuries and even longer, the scientific evidence from ancient times is that, factual evidence. The issue is pollution and other man made changes and how they affect the earth, not just temps. If you cant a negative situation here then you dont really know how things work.... I think most people who have posted are on board with that. Select few don't seem to be though, everything is magically okay.

Honestly, the problem seems to be the selling of Global Warming to people who dont seem to get that this is a Huge fucking problem. You can sit there and say oh its not that big of a deal Its one degree, or its 5 degrees. Science is not good at selling the fact that 1-5 DEGREES IS A BIG FUCKING DEAL. The Rate it is changing is a big deal. Science can quantify and create models around the changes, but the selling of it, is not easy.
They can make predictions and tell the politicians the sky is falling we need to correct this issue, but the politicians tend to say, well how am i supposed to sell this to the public that we need to change our ways. This is a human problem, it has to do with every aspect of all of our lives. from the way we eat, the way we drive, the products we use on a daily basis.
Science comes off as being bullys sometimes because it deals in hard facts. They dont make up data, consensus conclusions are peer reviewed, and they go where the data follows. Where things get messed up is the interpretation of what science is telling us by non science people. Al Gore was trying to sell this idea and got blasted by right wing. He was trying to get people talking about it and making the hard sell.
Regardless of the interpretation, a 97% consensus is UNHEARD OF in any science conclusion and should be listened to. UNHEARD OF.
This Graphic expresses my point exactly:

Science shouldnt give a flying fuck what the public thinks. Because they are wrong. I dont ask the cashier at cub medical advice, i ask a doctor.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

While I do agree the temp swings are drastic over centuries and even longer, the scientific evidence from ancient times is that, factual evidence.

How do you know? Because some college professor or archeologist said so?
We only have about a true 200 year scientifically documented record of temps so every thing else is speculation or madeup.

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

The issue is pollution and other man made changes and how they affect the earth, not just temps. If you cant a negative situation here then you dont really know how things work.... I think most people who have posted are on board with that. Select few don't seem to be though, everything is magically okay.

And how many things have been done to improve the enviroment? Plenty, and at great cost. So I don't get the "Sky is Falling" approach to it.

Considering the posts I made above earlier in this thread , let me ask this question to anybody here.
If what you were taught or told about about climate change was misleading and false, how would you feel about it then?

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

If what you were taught or told about about climate change was misleading and false, how would you feel about it then?

Like a true believer in science I'd move on. It seems the sources that claim climate change is bs are also happy to tell me to buy gold and silver at the top. Anti-liberal opinions mistakenly called news are big business.

[A//// Guy]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

How do you know? Because some college professor or archeologist said so?
We only have about a true 200 year scientifically documented record of temps so every thing else is speculation or madeup.

Its called scientific research? lol These figures aren't just pulled out of someones butt. While they might not be actual readings from a thermometer, there is a scientific process to figure these types of things out.

Some reading on how past climate is analyzed.
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...rature-proxies

And when it comes to all things, some bunk stuff will come out of theories. Like the past climate change stuff you posted. Its an ongoing issue that will take years and years to figure out. While the sky might not be falling, steps towards a greener environment are common sense.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

How do you know? Because some college professor or archeologist said so?
We only have about a true 200 year scientifically documented record of temps so every thing else is speculation or madeup.

How do we know, You can tell from trees (spacing of rings), from snowice , you can tell from soil samples.

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

And how many things have been done to improve the enviroment? Plenty, and at great cost. So I don't get the "Sky is Falling" approach to it.

Considering the posts I made above earlier in this thread , let me ask this question to anybody here.
If what you were taught or told about about climate change was misleading and false, how would you feel about it then?

If there were a 97% consensus that climate change was false, then it would be done. if it were proven beyond a reasonable doubt that cars improved the atmosphere and was healthy to breath, then i would be for it. YOU FOLLOW FACTS not someones Opinion who has a vested interest in denying.

[Goat Blower]

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

About what I expected from Steve, no actual facts or discussion. Also lol at cheese factory. Toxic gases in my pants also rise to extreme levels after some tacos.

Thought I'd add some of my real world experience, so far the only such occurrence in any of these silly threads. Does it have much to do with this thread, probably not. But I explain the effects of CO2 on food to engineers all day, so it's kinda interesting.

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

If you don't have any useful rebuttal, why post.

Because any useful rebuttal is a waste of time, I was really interested in this topic and read a ton of books about it 12-13 years ago, the arguments and end result hasn't changed since then. It's more fun just to make fun of you guys arguing about this senseless waste of time since nobody's opinion is going to change one way or another. If you believe global warming/cooling/climate change is man-made, no amount of charts, graphs and data are going to sway you otherwise.

Damn, I've already broken my rule about only posting pictures from now on in all political threads. Just seems appropriate.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Thought I'd add some of my real world experience, so far the only such occurrence in any of these silly threads. Does it have much to do with this thread, probably not. But I explain the effects of CO2 on food to engineers all day, so it's kinda interesting.



Because any useful rebuttal is a waste of time, I was really interested in this topic and read a ton of books about it 12-13 years ago, the arguments and end result hasn't changed since then. It's more fun just to make fun of you guys arguing about this senseless waste of time since nobody's opinion is going to change one way or another. If you believe global warming/cooling/climate change is man-made, no amount of charts, graphs and data are going to sway you otherwise.

Damn, I've already broken my rule about only posting pictures from now on in all political threads. Just seems appropriate.

Unfortunately that is the issue. There are people that will no matter what believe the earth is flat. No matter what you tell them. You can give observations of stars, Shadows, and all kinds of evidence to show them, we are a ball. Then when they finally take a trip around the earth, and will say they knew it all along.
"Every great scientific truth goes through Three phases:
First people say it cant be true.
second they say it conflicts with the bible,
third they say it was true all along."
- Neil deGrasse Tyson
More and more evidence will show up and eventually you will realize the truth with the more evidence in stronger and stronger storms, Longer and longer droughts, more and more toxic air.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Unfortunately that is the issue. There are people that will no matter what believe the earth is flat. No matter what you tell them. You can give observations of stars, Shadows, and all kinds of evidence to show them, we are a ball. Then when they finally take a trip around the earth, and will say they knew it all along.
"Every great scientific truth goes through Three phases:
First people say it cant be true.
second they say it conflicts with the bible,
third they say it was true all along."
- Neil deGrasse Tyson
More and more evidence will show up and eventually you will realize the truth with the more evidence in stronger and stronger storms, Longer and longer droughts, more and more toxic air.

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