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[sleepy2lazy]

Originally Posted by CDeutsch

I'm not the biggest America supporter but I do believe Germany and Japan are much better off now than the road they were headed down. Off hand I can't think of any other instance in history where a group of people were defeated and instead of taking everything they had, the country was rebuilt for them instead.

I'd love it if we stopped going into other countries, but it's just like the cops. Usually you hate it when they're around, but as soon as somebody breaks into your house you're like "where the hell are the cops?" Kind of like the whole G8 Africa thing. We hate America! (But we love your money)

I can understand you to some points CDeutsch, but in truth, two of those countries could have developed on its own. Cannot turn back time to change it and nor can we predict it but, America left Japan / China in turmoil.
Europe / Russia / America invaded Japan far back in the days. Russia / Europe disregarded its investments in Japan due to the war of 1812. Napoleon's quest for power. America was the only one left in that, and it basically ruined the power structure and economy of Japan that has been stable for centuries before foreigners came in there.

In China, America supported the democratic group which destroyed China. Rise of Communist Mao took place. If only America woulda supported Mao. (IMO, Communist Mao in his early stages during China's civil war actually had the best form of government i have read about. The reason that i think he took over with an iron fist was due to Russia / America's interference, thus Mao shut off all connections with countries. W/O those two nations interfering, the country may have prospered. Germany after WWI was left in ruins. Korea with Nuclear Weapons? Now America is a bit afraid? Maybe Korea just wanted some Nukes for its own defense, kinda like, "You got guns? We got guns ! Back off our country and let us deal with it"

Anyways, due to past historic events. I am for the war. Too late to stop it and change it now, it has to be resolved. IMO, If the US pulls out now, then history repeats itself, basically like Vietnam. This is why we have history class, not just to know past events, but to watch the moves we make in the future.

[LightningGSX]

Originally Posted by sleepy2lazy

I can understand you to some points CDeutsch, but in truth, two of those countries could have developed on its own. Cannot turn back time to change it and nor can we predict it but, America left Japan / China in turmoil.
Europe / Russia / America invaded Japan far back in the days. Russia / Europe disregarded its investments in Japan due to the war of 1812. Napoleon's quest for power. America was the only one left in that, and it basically ruined the power structure and economy of Japan that has been stable for centuries before foreigners came in there.

In China, America supported the democratic group which destroyed China. Rise of Communist Mao took place. If only America woulda supported Mao. (IMO, Communist Mao in his early stages during China's civil war actually had the best form of government i have read about. The reason that i think he took over with an iron fist was due to Russia / America's interference, thus Mao shut off all connections with countries. W/O those two nations interfering, the country may have prospered. Germany after WWI was left in ruins. Korea with Nuclear Weapons? Now America is a bit afraid? Maybe Korea just wanted some Nukes for its own defense, kinda like, "You got guns? We got guns ! Back off our country and let us deal with it"

My memory has been shitty these last few weeks but, as I recall...
1.America in no way left Japan in turmoil.Germany was far from "left in ruins".The allied "rehabilitation of enemy sates" were for the most part very effective, and their actions are directly responsible for the the free prosperous places they are today.Maybe I forgot something, but I can't remember how exacly we left China in turmoil.
2.We did in fact ally the US and communist China during the Nixon administration.We sacrificed Taiwan as an independant state, but allied with China none the less, mostly on the threat(against both US and China) from the soviet union
3.No nation in the modern world needs nuclear weapons for defense purposes.North Korea wants/has nukes only because the dictator is a 4 foot pussy with an obvious "napoleon complex" and IMHO has some delusion of being some kind of a modern world conqueror.Even without nukes, NK is a very formidable enemy to many nations which would even consider invading it.Not that any nations had intention on doing so before NK decided to pursue nukes.
Misc thoughts...
The proliferation of terrorism is directly related to the media coverage of it.In the 50-60+ years of terrorist tactics, its sole purpose was/is to bring the worlds attention to the particular ideals of the group who commit the acts.The one and only surefire way to stop terrorist attacks is to stop the media coverage of it.Since this is not likely to happen, expect the violence to esculate, and definately don't expect an end.