Modern Automotive Performance - Page 2

jrohner · 06-08-2010

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First leak was detected when I took the timing belt off because it was covered in oil and needed to be cleaned. The leak was on the lower bolt hole of the belt tensioner. I knew this was not right so I put copper crush washers on either side of the bolt and it was fixed.

I had that same issue on a car before. I put sealant on the bolt and put in back in, which fixed it; seemed weird as I'd not had that issue before.

Sucks to hear of your issues; I sure hope the rest of the engine is good.

Definitely agree with the post above mine, how they should work to satisfy you as their customer even if they are positive it was your fault 100% and 0% theirs (and they should be able to explain in detail how they came to that conclusion). I don't necessarily agree with the saying 'the customer is always right' or however it goes, but there is some truth in that if you want the all important word of mouth advertising and return customers.

blackrosenova400 · 06-08-2010

Take a pic of the oil pump/front cover. I want to see if its OEM.

Mwolf83 · 06-08-2010

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Originally Posted by jrohner

I had that same issue on a car before. I put sealant on the bolt and put in back in, which fixed it; seemed weird as I'd not had that issue before.

That was my first thought but in the small chance that it was coming from the block I decided against it. Any sealants I could find all say that they use solids in them and are safe for all things with the exception of oil. Even with the small chance that something solid from the little bit of sealant I'd use to seal the leak is too much of a risk for me to be taking with something I will work on whether it's my own motor or one for someone else.

rocket2g · 06-08-2010

YUP, SAME BULLSHIT about modern over here. LAST 2 YEARS messing with modern, spent 8-10k in parts, blame games, thought we stole parts that we already had paid for them to install, run there shop with 8 guys on the computer and one guy wrenching in back!! dan, refuses that we have a 7bolt 1g motor in our 94, ordering wrong parts, told me our 94 talon is STOCK but has a E85 conver, 880cc, 3'' IC w/ buscher FMIC, everything short of a sheet medal intake. HA.. refused 10k job on our dodge stealth like we weren't big enough for there 'under dog' shop. HA. gave MY keys to another customer before. omg i could go on. i do my own work now. i figured all the money i invested for the mistakes these shops make,(modern the worst), i rather take my own risks and invested time in learning how 'to go fast' MY DAM SELF. I hope modern chimes in, they know who I AM. I been SCREWED the most by them.

311evo · 06-08-2010

Hmm, this thread is interesting. I haven't heard a single thing bad about them until now.

b35talon · 06-08-2010

This is a first for me too.

allyoucaneat_talon · 06-08-2010

This is the First for me also. MAP took good care of my car. i spent like 3 grand there and till now the car is still in good running shape for 3 years. Sorry to hear about your built.

Super Bleeder!! · 06-08-2010

So you/they used a gasket on the pump cover?

I'm pretty darn sure you arent supposed to use a gasket on that cover at all.

blackrosenova400 · 06-08-2010

On the small gear cover no. Im pretty sure hes talking about the oil pump front cover assembly.

But yes with a gasket there would be too much gear endplay. Also it could of had too much preload if those bolts on the small gear cover were too tight.

Mwolf83 · 06-08-2010

Here are the pics of the front of the cover. And the pic of the brown seal is the original seal. I replaced it yesterday with a black one that I had laying around (new) to see if it still leaked. That was before I took the pump off the block to find that it was messed up.
The DOH lettering on the front matches the other 2 old Mitsu pumps I have laying around.

**v8klla** · 06-08-2010

Edit: Just spoke with Matt and it appears I took his post a bit out of context as we both agree it is very hard to determine what actually caused the failure here. Regardless, we have come to a resolution that is satisfactory to both parties. Hopefully Matt will be changing his initial post to reflect this shortly

**Murlo26** · 06-08-2010

Hmmm, in for MAP's side of the story...i like to hear both before i try to make a judgment.

Edit: ^ There we go.

**Kracka** · 06-08-2010

Thanks for clearing things up Chris. If he did the assembly himself there is nothing you can do, that would be like asking Mitsu to warranty an aftermarket built engine.

**mlomker** · 06-08-2010

What does an oil pump cost to purchase and install? If it isn't enough to keep you from eating then I'd buy one and move on. There's nobody on this forum that hasn't had surprise expenses related to their car.

There's a reason I'm driving the `94 Plymouth right now.

**Murlo26** · 06-08-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

What does an oil pump cost to purchase and install? If it isn't enough to keep you from eating then I'd buy one and move on. There's nobody on this forum that hasn't had surprise expenses related to their car.

There's a reason I'm driving the `94 Plymouth right now.

Surprises, i haven't had one yet...

We aren't flaming you OP fyi, just saying that things like this happen in the automotive world. I still don't know how everything went down, but it seems like there was some miss communication along the way.

What you described is exactly the final reason for me going with a single shop for my motor build, because frankly i didn't want to have one build it and one tune it and then a blame game to follow if something went wrong.

**v8klla** · 06-08-2010

What I meant is that the car the transmission came from worked perfectly, rear wheels as well. With that said, being that we didn't perform the installation how do you expect me to warrant a used part that was sold in perfect working order as witnessed by several of my staff (the car in question is my fiance's cousins car that she had been driving for months prior). We didn't perform the installation, we later found errors with your installation as outlined above, and something wasn't working properly when the car made its way back to us. I don't know what happened, and I'm not willing to make any assumptions. All I know for sure is that I sold you a transmission that was in perfect working order and we didn't perform the work.

**goodhart** · 06-08-2010

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Originally Posted by v8klla

What I meant is that the car the transmission came from worked perfectly, rear wheels as well. With that said, being that we didn't perform the installation how do you expect me to warrant a used part that was sold in perfect working order as witnessed by several of my staff (the car in question is my fiance's cousins car that she had been driving for months prior). We didn't perform the installation, we later found errors with your installation as outlined above, and something wasn't working properly when the car made its way back to us. I don't know what happened, and I'm not willing to make any assumptions. All I know for sure is that I sold you a transmission that was in perfect working order and we didn't perform the work.

Since when are IN THE CAR shifter bushings part of a transmission install? Those are the only thing that your shop replaced. It had nothing to do with any under the hood bushings or any linkage. The previous transmission never had an issue with any bushings, and the transmission after the one you sold me worked just fine also.

How are you sure that the transmission was in perfect working order anyways? Did you take it apart and inspect the internals? Did you put the car on jackstands and run the car through first gear to make sure all four wheels spun and not just the fronts? It was advertised to me as having a welded center diff, so as far as I know, that means all four wheels should turn when on jack stands correct?

**v8klla** · 06-08-2010

I never said anything about the shift bushings having to do with the issue, I was merely pointing out errors with the install that we found upon inspection. As I outlined before the car was driven for many months before it was torn down, that includes snow, rain, etc. This isn't just a random transmission we picked up as I outlined above, which I why I am so adamant that the AWD system was in proper working order when we took the car apart.

**goodhart** · 06-08-2010

Ok, so what exactly were these "installation errors" anyways? I have done a few transmission swaps now, and we did nothing different than what we did with this one. And yes, we did install the rear bolt that most people leave out.

**v8klla** · 06-08-2010

I believe it was missing dowel pins, and then whatever transpired with the shifter bushings. It was over a year ago now so its hard for me to remember specifics.