GheyrodX - bigger, fatter, gheyer! - Page 41

simulatedwood · 11-26-2013

Very nice! I switched out to similar battery setup with a Lithium Iron battery. Any other weight reduction plans? How much have you saved so far?

Btw.. instead of the front swaybar replacement.. Have you thought about getting an adjustable bracket (3 hole vs the single hole oem bracket) for the swaybar link on the lower control arm to change the OEM to be stiffer?

**Kracka** · 11-26-2013

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Originally Posted by simulatedwood

Very nice! I switched out to similar battery setup with a Lithium Iron battery. Any other weight reduction plans? How much have you saved so far?

Btw.. instead of the front swaybar replacement.. Have you thought about getting an adjustable bracket (3 hole vs the single hole oem bracket) for the swaybar link on the lower control arm to change the OEM to be stiffer?

I'm still toying with the idea of an aluminum driveshaft sometime down the road; a shop local to me is in the works of designing their own so we'll see how that plays out.
So far my weight-loss breaks down approximately like this:
rotational = 20 lbs
sprung = 35 lbs
The goal is to keep everything fully streetable and not do anything that takes away from comfort, drivability, or civility in the least.

I did look briefly at getting those front brackets + some Energy bushings/saddles, but at that point I'd be spending almost the same as the Eibach front bar cost me so I decided to just do the complete matching set (springs + F&R bars) and lose additional weight in the process.

**cmspaz** · 11-26-2013

Woot. Going to upgrade those links at any point? They don't look too happy about that bar, haha.

DoughtCom · 11-26-2013

I was talking to Hughes about it, he was saying on the non highest setting you're cool with the stock links. They do look dinky but he's been running the whiteline solid one and they don't look bent.

**Kracka** · 11-26-2013

After 67k miles of running my Whiteline bar on the medium setting my stock end-links are still in perfect shape. The stiffest setting is where you start having problems, but that's too much bar for a street car and even a lot of track cars unless you have some mega sticky tires. I have no plans to upgrade them

If they do ever bend or break they can easily be upgraded though. A failure of one would not render the car undrivable so I'm really not too concerned about it...and honestly a little curious to see how far I can push them similar to my stock clutch

The Whiteline 27mm solid rear bar is very strong, and honestly even the middle setting was too stiff when you're running the stock front bar. From my limited messing around, I think the soft setting is the better pairing for a street car w/stock front bar but some of that will come down to personal preferences and driving style. I have a ton of data to support my thoughts that Scheides calls my napkin math...maybe I'll post some of that up too

**cmspaz** · 11-26-2013

Sounds good, I've always prescribed to finding weaknesses through operation.

**Kracka** · 11-26-2013

It seems like it's they guys who charge head first into modding that replace anything and everything for no real reason are the ones constantly having issues and failures. I've done that enough in my life, all along with the X my goal has been to take it slow and calculated.

**goodhart** · 11-27-2013

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It seems like it's they guys who charge head first into modding that replace anything and everything for no real reason are the ones constantly having issues and failures. I've done that enough in my life, all along with the X my goal has been to take it slow and calculated.

Naaahhhhhh, who here does that?

blackrosenova400 · 11-27-2013

**Kracka** · 11-27-2013

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Naaahhhhhh, who here does that?

LOL figured you'd like that one!

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Exactly!

**Kracka** · 11-27-2013

Napkin math!!!

Eibach bars:

Whiteline bars:

**cmspaz** · 11-27-2013

I can approve of that!

**goodhart** · 11-27-2013

I don't know what any of that gibberish means.

**cmspaz** · 11-27-2013

It's the sway bar ratio, effectively a balance ratio for the bars of the vehicle. The way he did the math, the lower the number, the more oversteer-prone it will be, the higher the number, more understeer-prone.

**Kracka** · 11-27-2013

Bingo!

One thing to note, that with the Eibach bar set, the closest you can get to "oversteer ratio" is identical to stock; that is with the front bar set to the softest of 2 settings and the rear bar set to the stiffest of 3 settings. The Whiteline bars are a completely different animal though since their front bar is similar in stiffness to Eibach's front, but the Whiteline rear is mega stiff even on the softest setting.

Talking with Eibach, these bars of theirs were made in conjunction with the Prokits springs are all all tailored to one another...so far I'd agree with that statement running just the rear bar, but we'll see once I get the front bar installed as well. My plan is to run the front on soft and rear on stiff (currently set to medium).

simulatedwood · 11-27-2013

Adding the front bar, id agree going to it will probably be the cats meow for what your are looking for handling wise since the prokit springs are progressive. Pay attention to your front tire wear on the inside edge, it may increase with the new front bar. You may need to decrease the amount of camber needed to even out the front tire wear again.

**cmspaz** · 11-27-2013

Haha, is there ever a need for more oversteer than stock? These cars do a pretty good job of kicking the tail out right off the lot.

Sounds like a really solid setup, increasing contact patch, reducing body roll, and keeping an effective balance. Everything working together is all you can ask for in a suspension setup.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 11-27-2013

Stock Evo 8/9s understeer horribly. The Evo X is a totally different AWD system/story though.

**Kracka** · 11-29-2013

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Stock Evo 8/9s understeer horribly. The Evo X is a totally different AWD system/story though.

Agreed. Doing just the rear bar seemed far more effective on my IX than it did my X. With you X, you have to be careful not to go too stiff and over-power/upset the S-AWC system.

**Kracka** · 03-10-2014

My final picture:

Long story short, Shawn & Mike drove down from MN in his '14 X GSR base, I sold my '10 X GSR SSS to Don Herring Mitsu, and Shawn traded in his for mine. You should have seen the salesman's face when he saw what all the road salt did to his carpet after only 7k miles and one partial winter! Probably not quite as clean as they were expecting for a few months old '14