Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

Nice, I was waiting for that too. I myself thought about posting that but then I would have gotten a 2 week vacation minimum and a Nazi load of shit dumped on me.

[xveganxcowboyx]

I just want to clarify. Someone earlier posted that pot isn't addictive. This is entirely wrong. Addiction is really an odds game. Some things (nicotine, opiates, etc...) are highly addictive. A large number of the people who use them risk addiction. Others (alcohol, marijuana, etc...) have a lower chance of causing addiction, but still can.

I've seen a lot of drug use in my life (some of which has been my own, though not for a looooong time). I've seen plenty of "hard" and "soft" drug use and none of it has been benefeicial to the user. Drugs are a drag on the users life. The more you use (any drug) the more the drag. It does not necessarily mean you will become a fuck-up or societal mooch. It does, however, mean you will likely not reach full potential. It could be a near trivial difference in the long run or it could ruin your life. It depends on the person, the drug, the frequency, etc...

To get back to the addictive aspects of Marijuana. My brother is without a doubt addicted. He cannot spend any lengthy period of time without it. He cannot face reality without it. My father was an alcoholic. It is my belief that the same tendancy towards addiction is the driving factor in both cases.

For those trying to justify alcohol as better in some way (and commenting about how "retarded" Salvia makes you) just do a search for drunks on video. Or better yet, hit up a frat party.

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

Shit, my bad.

[Thor06]

Way to be observant Tauni.

And +1 to what DSMstyle said. I was thinking about that today at work. You are shooting down our views just as fast as we are shooting down yours.

[HaredX]

We aren't shooting down your views at all we are shooting down your close-mindedness, not once have I said drugs are the right thing and everyone should do them I'm just saying stop being so ignorant towards our views.

[tpunx99GSX]

Yeah Hared, you are ignorant to our views as well, we see drugs like this salvia as a total waste to make someone look and act REALLY stupid. and i dont have a single doubt in my mind that this drug will be illegal soon. Anything that makes you act that stupid is a waste in my mind.
We arent close minded, we just choose not to join the nation of burnouts and drug addicts.
I chose to quit doing drugs because I have better things to do. Im not close minded i just care about my life thank you.

[BOVADDICT]

the addiction to pot and salvia comes from the lifestyle. end of story.. its not a physical addiction but more mental.

pots fun.. end of story..

its stupid but fun.

salvia i not going to lie has tempted me for a long time.. why? cause its legal and a trip.. oh well not going to happen.. not falling back into that..

ANYWAY.....cars>drugs. ftw

[HaredX]

Salvia won't be illegal for a LONG time, it has been around for years and years and people have always known about it, the problem with making salvia illegal is that the plant can be used for other purposes such as incense whereas marijuana only has one use. Salvia is sold at pretty much all nurserys and many people grow it in their gardens, there have been plenty of attempts to make it illegal but it will never go through. Also, show me one post where I said that everyone should agree with my views on drugs, it doesn't exist, the only thing I have complained about in this whole argument is that everyone is being so stereotypical and close-minded never once have I said that you guys are stupid for not liking drugs. So you can keep saying that I am being ignorant to your views but you have nothing to base that argument on.

[A//// Guy]

HaredX-

So you say that Pot isnt addictive yet you smoke it everyday? Or were you talking about Salvia? A couple pages back you said you smoke pretty much every day....

That got me thinking... I sure do enjoy alchohol but I certainly dont hit the bottle everyday or even during the week at all. So why do you smoke everyday? Pleasure? I dont know about that, seems like your self control is overpowered by your "habit" of smoking... to me thats an addiction.

And unless your a pretty hardcore alchohol drinker nothing near as bad will happen to your liver compared to smoking really anything.

I see you as being ignorant because you seem to think smoking is not bad for you.. Smoking anything is bad. Theres asthma, and allergies those are just the beggining.. cancer, lung disease... blah blah...

I dont care if other people smoke stuff, so there I am open to that, but smoking crap to act retarded is just dumb... Not even achohol seems to affect people like the vids posted on page 1 of this thread.

Also, do you smoke with more than just you in the room? Because if you smoke alone then that is not just a "fun" thing, because people who drink alone are alchoholics. To me if you do it while hanging out with friends or at partys etc, makes it seem like a social thing.

[HaredX]

I never smoke by myself, I smoke every day because I enjoy the relaxed state of mind I get while I am high. Smoking pot is not known for causing cancer, it can increase your risk for cancer, but like I said earlier NOBODY has ever died directly from smoking pot. My smoking has nothing to do with addiction, I know this because I had to quit for 6 months once because I was getting tested at work and I did it without a problem, I never slipped up, never fiended, I can stop whenever the hell I want for however long I want but I do it because it is enjoyable. I am fully aware that smoking pot is bad for you but compared to alcohol, tobacco, etc. it is nothing. And if you haven't seen people act like the videos tom posted or worse while they are drunk, you must never have been around a drunk person, I've seen people throw up and drink it and shit on people's front yard and that is FAR more retarded then I have ever seen someone on salvia act.

[Tauni]

Haredx: Stop calling us close minded. We've already over ruled you on that one so get the fuck over it.


This areguement is retarded. Drugs are dumb and lead to bad things. Like death. I think we should have left it at that.

[Black97civic]

Originally Posted by T-T-Tauni

This areguement is retarded. Drugs are dumb and lead to bad things. Like death. I think we should have left it at that.

But where do you stand on alcohol??

I mean, its a drug, legal to people over 21, that increases the risks of many cancers, can cause cirrhosis of the liver and many other bad things (including death), is proven to be more physcially and psychologically addictive than mary jane, not to mention the whole overdose factor in which alcohol is far worse than weed again.

I'm not saying drugs aren't dumb, meth, coke and heroin are all terrible, but as far as I am concerned, mary jane is basically booze you can smoke.

[HaredX]

A bunch of close-minded people saying that I am close-minded is not being overruled it's just another example of the ignorance that exists in this world.

[CVD]

God this thread sucks. HaredX: We are all closed minded. Thank you for pointing that out in all 14 of your posts. Feel free to end the e-masturbation session whenever you feel like it.

[TheBlizzard]

Don't you all know that anything that feels good or tastes good is most likely bad for you. Who gives a fuck what it is, if you do it enough its going to have lasting effects on your body. And another thing that goes hand in hand with having fun or feeling good is that it costs quite a bit of money.

In my opinion sex is the worst drug out there. Since only one person can give it to you and that person knows that. So they can use every means in the world to take all of your money and freedom before they give it up. And when its all said and done your broke and just want to take a nap.

[Tauni]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

In my opinion sex is the worst drug out there. Since only one person can give it to you and that person knows that. So they can use every means in the world to take all of your money and freedom before they give it up. And when its all said and done your broke and just want to take a nap.

hahah thats girlfriends.

[Tauni]

Haredx: You don't know how to read do you?

Blue89Quest: Very good question. As I've said before, most things are ok in moderation. I didn't want to get into alcoholism but I will just to make my point stronger. I guess my big thing is, as long as you don't let yoiurself get to the point where it takes over your life and begins to ruin your body faster its ok. I drink. It's fun and I life to have a good time. However, my mom, step dad and biological dad are all alcoholics. I've seen the negative affects drinking can have on you. I've watched alcohol tear my family apart several times, but then again its all inw hat you make of it.I believe if you subject yourself to letting it become so much a part of you that you let it hurt those around you as well as yourself, its wrong. I completely agree with you that marijuana is a lot like drinking in the sense that it doesn't hurt yoiu physically as bad as other drugs, but is still harmful and addictive, whether it be mentally or physically. And like I've said before I will smoke the occasional pot just because its fun every once and while. It's the same with drinking; I will party and drink to have a good time. But once these things become a habit it's no longer fun and becomes wrong. I deffinately do not agree with addictions.

[94talonawd]

Wow, this is a crazy thread.
Smoking stuff is just not my thing.
Beer is the way to go!

[sleepy2lazy]

.....smoking stuff and alcohol is same shit in my opinion. Just that smoking stuff is riskier than alcohol. Both messes with the mind and all. I prefer alcohol. Its cheaper, easier to control, and easier to make certain that its safer. Plus tastes better.

[Tauni]

[QUOTE=sleepy2lazy].....easier to control, and easier to make certain that its safer. [QUOTE]


Not entirely true, I'd say. I would say comparing when I have drank to when I have smoked, I have less control when I drink. I have only blacked out once drinking, but I still have much less control, and don't know as much of what I am doing. When I smoke, I always know exactly what I am doing and have never forgotten what I did while I was high.

For example, driving. You should never drive under the influence of either, but when you have to, its much safer to drive high than drunk. When you are high you are more alert and you are more focused. When you are drunk you are swerving and just all out retarded. So I don't really agree with this statement.