12-22-2008
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#101
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Finally Tuned...
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Zimmerman
Drives: Spyder GSX
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
I demand numbers! Also someone (Blageo) should bring me my manifold since I dont have a ride.
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94 Supra TT Auto, Project 9.xx in the works
97 Spyder AWD 6 bolt 2.3, 579hp 496tq **FOR SALE**
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12-22-2008
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#102
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AWD4G64
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Shoreview, MN
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
But you live in bum F nowhere
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1998 Spyder AWD
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12-22-2008
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#103
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Finally Tuned...
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Zimmerman
Drives: Spyder GSX
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
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Originally Posted by blageo23
But you live in bum F nowhere
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Come on man I totaled my truck and have no ride anywhere.
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94 Supra TT Auto, Project 9.xx in the works
97 Spyder AWD 6 bolt 2.3, 579hp 496tq **FOR SALE**
Amsoil Dealer
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12-22-2008
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#104
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flips McGee
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
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Originally Posted by 95talonracer
97 Spyder AWD 6 bolt, Actually Driven!
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LOL!
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12-22-2008
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#105
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Apple Valley, MN
Drives: 97 GSX, 95 TSI, 04 Celica TRD
Posts: 120
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
Here we go!
4g63 SMIM Testing
Also, Beyond Redline's intake is supposed to arrive tomarrow. Ill try to get that up asap!
Let me know what you guys thing of the page, as well as the data.
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12-22-2008
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#106
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Duluth
Drives: a pos
Posts: 722
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
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Originally Posted by iroc_g
Here we go!
Also, Beyond Redline's intake is supposed to arrive tomarrow. Ill try to get that up asap!
Let me know what you guys thing of the page, as well as the data.
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Looks nice!!!! Any chance your going to flow a 1g/2g intake for a base reference?
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12-22-2008
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#107
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Finally Tuned...
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Zimmerman
Drives: Spyder GSX
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
WOW! I am extremely suprised with the results. Thanks a bunch for doing this and my Venom isnt that bad for the $200 i got it for after all!!
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94 Supra TT Auto, Project 9.xx in the works
97 Spyder AWD 6 bolt 2.3, 579hp 496tq **FOR SALE**
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12-22-2008
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#108
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Apple Valley, MN
Drives: 97 GSX, 95 TSI, 04 Celica TRD
Posts: 120
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
Iceminion is going to bring me a cyclone when he picks his magnus. I'm going to try to get my 1g off tonight and do that as well.
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12-22-2008
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#109
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R U DTF bro?
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oak Point, TX
Drives: C8 Stingray Z51
Posts: 20,620
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
Nice work to LSE (John?)!
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12-22-2008
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#110
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Pewp Champion
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Blaine
Drives: Teh Bean
Posts: 12,309
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
Thanks for the results. Not my area of expertise, so I'll wait to here what others say. But doesn't look like my (new) JMF did all that bad in compared to most of the competition thus far. At least in this test that is. I'm sure there's plenty more to an IM's performance other then what was tested here.
Last edited by Halon; 12-22-2008 at 08:52 PM..
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12-22-2008
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#111
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Finally Tuned...
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Zimmerman
Drives: Spyder GSX
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
Wow looks like Magnus FTL. So what would 11-18% difference on # 1 do to our cars on a moded motor?
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94 Supra TT Auto, Project 9.xx in the works
97 Spyder AWD 6 bolt 2.3, 579hp 496tq **FOR SALE**
Amsoil Dealer
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12-22-2008
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#112
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immune from paybans
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: West Des Moines
Drives: poorly
Posts: 4,358
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
Good info, now we need to have some interpretation on all that data. LSE's looked really good on paper, but how would the larger volume affect performance on different setups? Things like that I don't know.
EDIT: Also how do I tell if I have the new or old JMF intake? The engraved logo I have looks like brandon's, does that make it the new version?
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12-22-2008
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#113
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Duluth
Drives: a pos
Posts: 722
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
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Originally Posted by 95talonracer
Wow looks like Magnus FTL. So what would 11-18% difference on # 1 do to our cars on a moded motor?
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I'm assuming, your losing power on #1. Figure just that cylinder is running nearly 20% richer than the rest...
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12-22-2008
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#114
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Kevin
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Shoreview
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
Nice page! Looks like John might have to start making some of those manifolds?
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12-22-2008
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#115
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is Nashty
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Stillwater
Drives: Cyborg from Japan
Posts: 2,080
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
So which one did the best? I feel like I'm getting stupider when I try to read the test results..
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12-22-2008
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#116
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Finally Tuned...
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Zimmerman
Drives: Spyder GSX
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
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Originally Posted by 95tsi
I'm assuming, your losing power on #1. Figure just that cylinder is running nearly 20% richer than the rest...
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That or a few cylinders are running lean if people tune on the edge which could be bad.
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94 Supra TT Auto, Project 9.xx in the works
97 Spyder AWD 6 bolt 2.3, 579hp 496tq **FOR SALE**
Amsoil Dealer
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12-22-2008
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#117
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Duluth
Drives: a pos
Posts: 722
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
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Originally Posted by 4g63tcrazy
So which one did the best? I feel like I'm getting stupider when I try to read the test results..
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Looks to me like the LSE prototype. Good flow numbers and very consistant. Others have good numbers but, they lack consistency.
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12-22-2008
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#118
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Duluth
Drives: a pos
Posts: 722
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
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Originally Posted by 95talonracer
That or a few cylinders are running lean if people tune on the edge which could be bad.
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I would think you would have a much better chance or running rich on that cyl. With 75% comming from the other 3 cyl chances are you would likely be pulling more of a the tune off them. My guess....???
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12-22-2008
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#119
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Apple Valley, MN
Drives: 97 GSX, 95 TSI, 04 Celica TRD
Posts: 120
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
As you guys are noticing, what I really did notice wasn't the differences in peak numbers, but consistency of the manifold. Hell, these all are pretty close max flow. To get the engine running optimumly with a "faulty" manifold, you would have to have the ability to tune fuel delivery per cylinder.
Beyond that, an engine is going to run best, and behave the best if all 4 cylinders are making the same amount of power. If you have one runner that has 10% less air, you wold have reduce the fuel accordingly. But in doing this, that cylinder will make less power because it is consuming less air/fuel mixture.
Last edited by iroc_g; 12-22-2008 at 10:03 PM..
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12-22-2008
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#120
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Kevin
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Shoreview
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Re: SMIM Showdown! Lets figure this out once and for all!
When will we see a baseline?
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