No More Bashing Threads! Discuss...

[AwdGSX13]

<--- Haha, just realized what that was.

[FattyBoomBatty]

Welp, I fully support the complete elimination of all bashing threads and a day long ban for anyone who purposly makes such a thread.

I've been on the receiving end of quite a lot of hate on this board over the years, and I have tried to "get even" by lashing out, and then I got banned. Which made me even more pissed.

Peter is a generally hateful person with a superiority complex and a bad habit of making snide remarks behind people's backs or on the internet where he faces no real repercussions. I feel as though I've moved beyond that stage in my life and I also feel that because I come out to the club meets at OC or where ever, I can't go around dissing and bashing people on the internet, and I have no desire to do so.

Peter never comes out to the meets, so you can't ever find out what the person behind the keyboard is like. But from what I read and what I have argued with him about, I believe he is absolutely no better in person than he is online. And if he's nice in person, he's faking it. That's how I feel and I'm guessing it's not going to change.

Spaz on the other hand is always out with the group and I know he's a genuinly good person. Peter and Charles have several years between them. When I was Spaz's age I said retarded stuff online, but I'm pretty sure I'm about the same age as Peter, and I don't really say anything like what he says anymore. A few years can make a huge difference in most cases, but not all apparently.

[Swifty1638]

Wow. I'm gone to work all day long, come home, and see all this unfold.

Atleast now my cornhole can seal back up from all the insertions i've recieved, and I'm happy to know It all closed with my bashing thread being the biggest, and original one! I guess people had alot to say about me!

I cannot say spaz's comment in that thread was needed, and was in distaste, but that's been stated time and time again, so I'd rather not beat the dead horse and move on.

Who's buyin me a beer?

-A. Swift

[cmspaz]

Originally Posted by Swifty1638

Who's buyin me a beer?

No one, because you didn't threaten anybody.

JK, JK. I'll buy you one if nobody else will.

And Andrew, I feel the same way about going to meets. I'm not going to go online and rip someone a new asshole when I know I'll see them in less than a week. It's just not, you know, a smart thing to do. Doesn't help that everyone on here could kick my ass, either. And yes, I'm including Emily in "everyone".

[viridionplague]

it seems that i missed the juicy parts but this thread has become the prime example of why we should not have bashing threads.

this thread started as a good thread about a specific topic but turned into a giant bashing thread of its own about the same old shit.

i havent been here long, and ive only met a handful of people. those i have met i have nothing but respect for. but those of you i havent, i have lost some respect for based on your conduct in this thread, and i havent even met you guys yet.

from an outside source it looks like this forum is made of a bunch of teenage brats who care more about what someone else is doing than what your doing yourself or just helping people out with there cars and whatever else.

this is a car forum not a shit festival and from what ive seen its almost a 70-30 split, shit pies > car forum

if you got a problem with someone else why cant you just either deal with them personaly or just leave them to there buisness? is that really so hard.

i had some more thoughts but i hit the back button and lost them. damn dont you hate it when that happens?

[Ihearrtdsm]

All I can say is I really enjoy this forum and those I met we had fun. I learned alot of things and not even just about cars. Thanks for the forums hopefully I can get sometime to come out to more events :-D

[FattyBoomBatty]

Viridionplague - you should have read my first iteration of my post, lol. Maybe what should happen is instead of posting right away, the forum will make you wait 30 seconds or a minute then say, "are you sure you want to post that?" I bet it would give people enough time to reconsider what they wrote and change things that are "too much."

If you want to see a strictly moderated, but "family friendly" car site, visit starquestclub.com. They don't take crap from anyone there. You get booted at the first sign of being as asshole. A year and a half ago, I got banned for nearly 6 months for being a douchebag, and was only let back in because someone else vouched for me. Since then I've made good and only contribute positively. I try to do the same here usually.

[Swifty1638]

It you think starquest is bad? try teamNABR! atleast the old site..you had to be invited, write an acceptance essay, etc..every post had to be constructive, correctly punctual, etc..and the mods where total nazis! (steve hill was one of them, dunno how as he hardly posted from what I rmemeber!) and elite of elite where consistant posters on there, like rau, shep, kiggly, etc..

-A. Swift

[viridionplague]

its not that i dont like it here. cause i do. its just that sometimes all this shit gets annoying, and when it starts spilling into other threads its kind of annoying.

and some of the threads just look bad from an outside opinion.

im all for jokes, posting funny stuff or serius stuff other than strait up car stuff. but sometimes it just goes way to far and way outside the lines.

and specifically making a bashing thread about someone just looks horribly distasteful no matter how you look at it

[JET]

Wow. The biggest thing here is that if people don't want a bashing thread about them, the don't post in it. Both Spaz and Swifty posted in their bashing threads. It wouldn't be fun for the bashers if you didn't post in the threads and they would quit.

Spaz, I have met you several times and I can tell you are a good person. I think you might just try a little too hard around people or something. Every time I have met you I have heard some ludicrous story about you driving drunk and recklessly. Nobody thinks that is cool or funny, it is stupid. Stop trying so hard, chill out and relax. I think you and everyone else will have more fun.

And Swifty, Tom had the original bashing thread, not you!

[poofy97gsx]

i know i wasnt on the forum's when the majority of this took place but i just wanted to put in my two cents.

I recently quit the car club i was in down here in roch called RPM because of members bashing me about my car. i understand that the bashing wasnt about a members car but i do understand the feeling. i feel that if your part of a group/club it should be friends and car talk. if a conflict goes to the point that events and cruises are not possible with these people then something needs to be done. that was the point that i had gotten to with my club and thats why i quit. i support a no bashing forum

[FattyBoomBatty]

Yeah, there were times in the past when I felt I couldn't go to meets or whatever because I'd see people I had recently argued with on the internet. Lame as that is, it's not fun to be in the situation.

[Swifty1638]

fatty, why would you say peter is "on a pedistal" ? I can vouch for him actually being a really decent guy. I've been drunk, he gave me a roof, i've needed to borrow a few bucks here and there, he's had me (I've paid him back, don't worry) and he's been a good guy to me to turn to for ME to keep my sanity through the SHIT i've been dragged through as of late. Does your opinion of me differ because I'm never out at the wednesday meets, or a few other meets that are had around here? I think many can contest to me being a good guy, as they could with him. Perhaps under a new light, you could approach him maturely, and hold a discussion?

Mods, I understand where you are coming from on certain things, and as always you know I love it here. I really am lost on how this "banning spree" came about though..opinions where asked to be given, so they where. you banned those who gave it, but not others who gave theirs? How is it spaz has skated by? Does that mean that I too will be banned for giving my opinion on certain topics? Is that not what you asked?

-A. Swift

[cmspaz]

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

Maybe what should happen is instead of posting right away, the forum will make you wait 30 seconds or a minute then say, "are you sure you want to post that?" I bet it would give people enough time to reconsider what they wrote and change things that are "too much."

I usually do a "preview post" at least once before posting something, unless it's a quick reply, as last night's post unfortunately was.

Originally Posted by JET

Every time I have met you I have heard some ludicrous story about you driving drunk and recklessly. Nobody thinks that is cool or funny, it is stupid.

Really? I hardly ever tell stories, let alone stories of me being drunk, and even less stories about me being drunk and driving (and for the record I never drive if I'm even moderately intoxicated, so drunk is a relative term). The last time was the Civic, what other ones have you heard?

Originally Posted by Swifty1638

fatty, why would you say peter is "on a pedistal" ? I can vouch for him actually being a really decent guy. I've been drunk, he gave me a roof, i've needed to borrow a few bucks here and there, he's had me (I've paid him back, don't worry) and he's been a good guy to me to turn to for ME to keep my sanity through the SHIT i've been dragged through as of late.

Mods, I understand where you are coming from on certain things, and as always you know I love it here. I really am lost on how this "banning spree" came about though..opinions where asked to be given, so they where. you banned those who gave it, but not others who gave theirs? How is it spaz has skated by? Does that mean that I too will be banned for giving my opinion on certain topics? Is that not what you asked?

Two things... first, he roofied you as a joke? Some fucking joke. Not something I'd laugh off, that's for sure.

Secondly, this "banning spree." I managed to "skate by" because I was talking with Hughes and Scheides pretty much all day, trying to work this shit out, as opposed to the original banned parties who tried to make a huge deal out of the whole situation and dragged it out, a shitstorm neither Scheides nor Hughes wanted to deal with. The non-involved parties who're banned asked for it to try to make some ridiculous point whose logic escapes me. Hell, I even told Hughes I would rather he wait on the bannings until we at least tried to work things out on Friday, but he and Scheides felt things got too out of hand and made the decision to ban.

[JET]

Originally Posted by cmspaz

Really? I hardly ever tell stories, let alone stories of me being drunk, and even less stories about me being drunk and driving (and for the record I never drive if I'm even moderately intoxicated, so drunk is a relative term). The last time was the Civic, what other ones have you heard?

Well that is odd. I have met you 3 times and heard a drunk story each time. One was quite elaborate where you were talking about launching on a cop like 6 times, but he was out of his jourisdiction (which we busted you on, I believe TKR was the other one) and you said you were completely wasted. The last one you were racing some random car while you were drunk, a civic I think. I didn't pay much attention really.

So you say here you don't drive while drunk, but I have heard 3 stories where you say you are drunk and race people. Lying to try to impress people doesn't work. The stories all sounded quite fabricated, so I would guess you are telling the truth here. I would hope so anyway. Like I said before, just chill out and be yourself and you will be fine.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by JET

Well that is odd. I have met you 3 times and heard a drunk story each time. One was quite elaborate where you were talking about launching on a cop like 6 times, but he was out of his jourisdiction (which we busted you on, I believe TKR was the other one) and you said you were completely wasted. The last one you were racing some random car while you were drunk, a civic I think. I didn't pay much attention really.

So you say here you don't drive while drunk, but I have heard 3 stories where you say you are drunk and race people. Lying to try to impress people doesn't work. The stories all sounded quite fabricated, so I would guess you are telling the truth here. I would hope so anyway. Like I said before, just chill out and be yourself and you will be fine.

I think he actually just told the stories while drunk, and wasn't drunk while the stories actually happened. LOL @ launching w/ the cop story(told while spaz was several beers deep!), that was awesome!

[hellomynameis]

Originally Posted by JET

The last one you were racing some random car while you were drunk, a civic I think. I didn't pay much attention really.
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Emphasis mine. He mentioned that he had imbibed earlier in the evening but I'm pretty sure he didn't refer to himself as being drunk.

Pay attention. This is how shit gets started. It's sad really, because you already admitted that your impression of the guy is based on barely even paying attention.

As far as the original point this thread was trying to make...if you post pics of yourself doing gay stuff on the internet, don't whine when people poke fun. Seems to me, that's exactly how one of the threads in question started. Why it gets out of hand, I don't know. If we all acted like decent adults, it probably would never go 'too far'. Kracka and I constantly take jabs at each other both on- and off-line and we both are still awesome friends because we understand the differences between joking and being an asshole.

The instigators who ignore warnings about their behavior should be banned, no question about it. For some perspective, I'm a guy that doesn't support any kind of censorship.

For those of you who have a problem with Spaz (or anyone else), quit being passive aggressive and/or throwing punches from the safety of your keyboard. Resolve your differences privately and maybe even score some points by doing it in person (and by in person I don't mean a fist fight). Case in point, if you think Spaz is too loud or that his swearing is inappropriate, pull him aside, let him know how you feel about it and don't pout if he doesn't change for you.

By the way...If resolving your differences means you guys don't hang out together, so what? We don't all have to be friends. Even if there is a person you don't get along with, it shouldn't prevent you from attending any of the fantastic events Kracka and Scheides plans for us.

[cmspaz]

Originally Posted by JET

Well that is odd. I have met you 3 times and heard a drunk story each time. One was quite elaborate where you were talking about launching on a cop like 6 times, but he was out of his jourisdiction (which we busted you on, I believe TKR was the other one) and you said you were completely wasted. The last one you were racing some random car while you were drunk, a civic I think. I didn't pay much attention really.

Heh, I forgot about the cop... I only had one beer 3 hours prior to doing that. I probably started the story with "So I was driving home from the bar..." so that may have been where the drunkenness came from. Plus, I was like five beers deep when I told the story. The civic story, I was fairly close to the legal limit, with a beer and a couple drinks in me. I normally jump around after drinking to make sure I'm coordinated enough to drive, though, so it's safe to assume that I'm not actually driving drunk, regardless of what I say in my stories. We can resolve to say that 'drunk' is a fairly relative term when you're talking to me.

And yes, as per Zac, if you have a problem with something I'm doing, saying, etc, please, by all means, pull me aside and let me know in a calm and respectful manner. I won't be offended, and I will honestly try to be accommodating. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, shoot me a PM, IM, email, whatever. I can't do anything about a problem if I don't know it exists.

[Swifty1638]

No he didn't "roofie" me..he provided my drunk ass shelter.

I'm not pointing fingers, but merely slapping everyone in her in the face..wake up! Smell the coffee. it all got outta hand, everyone is in the wrong, everyone grow up and learn from it. I understand the moderators don't care to deal with it, but as a moderator your job is to do just that. If not, then don't be one (Again, not stabbing at you guys, but merely stating the obvious).

I'm not trying to call anyone out, but I'm merely pointing out things from a different perspective, and a differing POV.

-A. Swift

[Kracka]

Swifty, you do not have a clue what went on or what posts were made that led to the bans. Scheides and I put up with quite a bit, and handed out enough warnings, before anyone got banned. The line was crossed too many times and our limits were intentionally being tested. When we asked numerous times to keep the thread on-topic and/or to start showing respect to all members on the board it is expected those requests be followed.