08-07-2010
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flips McGee
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Camber Tires - built in 2°
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras...er-tires/#more
Pretty slick, wonder how they work/last in the real world.
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08-07-2010
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
Cool idea, but yeah, do they work in the real world.
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08-07-2010
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Transmission destroyer
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
Link wouldn't work on my pos phone, but these sound the same as nitto neo gens.
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08-08-2010
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
^ No these are not like the Nitto Neo Gens. The NGs have a dense inside shoulder tread that makes the tire not wear as quickly for cars with alot of camber.
The tire this guy invented are not square. The tires have camber built into them. Basically its like this...
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\_\ <- camber tire that this guy invented.
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08-08-2010
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
Instead of the tire compensating for negative camber why not just run 0* camber? As far as I can tell, that's all this tire is doing.
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08-09-2010
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Levant IX
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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08-09-2010
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
The idea makes sense, I think this will catch on big.
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08-09-2010
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
NASCAR uses it...because they only turn left
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08-09-2010
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flips McGee
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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The data results from that test aren't huge but the verbage suggests they are way impressed. Will be interesting to see where this goes though, that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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08-09-2010
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Shit Rocket Pilot
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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\_\ <- camber tire that this guy invented.
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According to the picture in the link provided the tires have different height sidewalls and aren't actually angled like that.
What I don't understand is why you wouldn't just leave the suspension at 0 degrees and put the short sidewall on the outside.
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NASCAR uses it...because they only turn left
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NASCAR uses square tires like everyone else.
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08-09-2010
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
According to the picture in the link provided the tires have different height sidewalls and aren't actually angled like that.
What I don't understand is why you wouldn't just leave the suspension at 0 degrees and put the short sidewall on the outside.
NASCAR uses square tires like everyone else.
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Matt, I don't understand what you mean when you say that they aren't actually angled like that. The different heights of the sidewalls make the angle that you see.
If you left the suspension at 0° and put the short sidewalls on the outside you would have positive camber.
-Jalal
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Matt, I don't understand what you mean when you say that they aren't actually angled like that. The different heights of the sidewalls make the angle that you see.
If you left the suspension at 0° and put the short sidewalls on the outside you would have positive camber.
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Since one sidewall is shorter than the other that means the tread itself is angled 2 degrees, which is what would happen if you put 2 degrees of camber into the suspension with a square tire.
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08-09-2010
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flips McGee
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
I think the negative camber is to offset the camber of the tire and make the tire sit flat on the ground all the time. A lot of guys run -2.5° of camber in the front anyways, right, so what would happen if you took this tire and ran the suspension at, say, -5° of camber.
The interesting side effect to this tire that is kinda neat is that it eats up the road a little nicer while cruising. Totally not what I would have thought of but it makes 100% perfect sense. Instead of the force of the road traveling straight up the sidewall, it is at an angle, so the sidewalls sorta flex like an offset spring and eat some of the directional force.
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I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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08-09-2010
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Originally Posted by scheides
I think the negative camber is to offset the camber of the tire and make the tire sit flat on the ground all the time. A lot of guys run -2.5° of camber in the front anyways, right, so what would happen if you took this tire and ran the suspension at, say, -5° of camber.
The interesting side effect to this tire that is kinda neat is that it eats up the road a little nicer while cruising. Totally not what I would have thought of but it makes 100% perfect sense. Instead of the force of the road traveling straight up the sidewall, it is at an angle, so the sidewalls sorta flex like an offset spring and eat some of the directional force.
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Running 0* front camber would do the same thing. The way I see it, using this tire as stated and pictured, is pointless. Negative camber is all about gaining maximum tire contact patch when the car is leaned over, running a tire flat on the ground while going straight will pull the inner edge up in a corner while a car running negative camber with traditional tires will have a larger contact patch on the road.
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08-09-2010
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Shit Rocket Pilot
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Running 0* front camber would do the same thing. The way I see it, using this tire as stated and picture, is pointless.
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I agree completely. 0 degrees is 0 degrees, regardless of what the wheel is doing. If the tire is flat when it's static then it's still going to want to roll in a corner, and a taller outside sidewall is only going to make that worse.
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08-09-2010
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Levant IX
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
Since one sidewall is shorter than the other that means the tread itself is angled 2 degrees, which is what would happen if you put 2 degrees of camber into the suspension with a square tire.
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Correct. We're on the same page regarding that.
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Originally Posted by scheides
I think the negative camber is to offset the camber of the tire and make the tire sit flat on the ground all the time. A lot of guys run -2.5° of camber in the front anyways, right, so what would happen if you took this tire and ran the suspension at, say, -5° of camber.
The interesting side effect to this tire that is kinda neat is that it eats up the road a little nicer while cruising. Totally not what I would have thought of but it makes 100% perfect sense. Instead of the force of the road traveling straight up the sidewall, it is at an angle, so the sidewalls sorta flex like an offset spring and eat some of the directional force.
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I would think you'd get -2° front camber if you did that, no?
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Running 0* front camber would do the same thing. The way I see it, using this tire as stated and pictured, is pointless. Negative camber is all about gaining maximum tire contact patch when the car is leaned over, running a tire flat on the ground while going straight will pull the inner edge up in a corner while a car running negative camber with traditional tires will have a larger contact patch on the road.
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If you left the suspension at 0°, wouldn't there be a ton of stress on the hub?
Also, wouldn't that mess up suspension geometry and such since your suspension components would be at positive camber, but your tires would be at their static camber?
-Jalal
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08-09-2010
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Smells like cat poop
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
According to the picture in the link provided the tires have different height sidewalls and aren't actually angled like that.
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Yes, Matt. I realize the actual structure and composition of the tire, and although I have many talents, drawing the concept using an ASCII character set isn't a strong point.
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08-13-2010
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
I think there may be some benefits to having the wheel 2degrees more tipped in. It might be important to note, that like they said, you would have to adjust your alignment for those tires. I would guess they were assuming the suspension and tire roll in about 1 degree so with this tire you could get the geometric benefits of having the hub -3degrees to the ground but only the wear of -1degree of camber...
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