Finally getting stuff done on our cars - Page 12

niterydr · 04-21-2006

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Sorry to hear that guys. Nothing sucks more than putting your heart, soul and wallet into a big project, and to have a problem with it. Some of us have been there, it sucks.

-Speculation hat on-
I don't think it's a normal rod issue. I can't say for sure since I don't know 3S motors, but DSM rods have been proven to easily handle 125whp per hole with careful tuning. I can't imagine Mitsu went way cheaper on the rods in the 3s', so just by those numbers, 750whp shouldn't be out of the question for stock rods. Did you have the rods magnafluxed? I'm thinking there might have been an imperfection in that one rod. I guess only disassembly will tell.
-speculation hat off-

That is where we are at. We had the rods cryo'd, not magnafluxed. Since I don't want to deal with this mess again I am going forged.

**Goat Blower** · 04-21-2006

Good luck, hopefully there's no cylinder wall damage.

TheBlizzard · 04-21-2006

Yeah hopefully you can just slap some rods and bearings in and call her good. Atleast then you can have piece of mind knowing that it will take pretty much anything you can throw at it.

On a side note. How long does it take to pull one of those motors and swapped out pistons and rods?

niterydr · 04-21-2006

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Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Yeah hopefully you can just slap some rods and bearings in and call her good. Atleast then you can have piece of mind knowing that it will take pretty much anything you can throw at it.

On a side note. How long does it take to pull one of those motors and swapped out pistons and rods?

Haha, its time to get it done. The next time I can schedule in customer work is around May 18th, pending the current workload. I have late night to work on the car (not until after the cookout probably) and weekends (again, not until May) to even start working on the car. I should beable to get the motor out of the car in 1-2 days, have it torn down, etc. Its way to early to set a "goal date" as I have to come up with the $$$ for it.
I'd love to see it running in June for the 3s gathering, but that is a far cry and a maybe at this point.
In a nutshell, it looks like I am fucked for this season.

x-pride · 04-21-2006

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Originally Posted by niterydr

In a nutshell, it looks like I am fucked for this season.

Look on the good side. At least you were not fucked at Rock Falls.

santa · 04-22-2006

I'm sorry but I'm not trying to bring you down but, thats just stupid to have put stock rod's back in. You wanted to make a lot of power yet you put in weak parts, that doesn't seem very intelligent. I mean, thats like putting a non turbo short block into a turbo dsm... it might have been just for fun, just to see when it would blow up. Sorry for your lose. good luck when you get it running again.

Kevin

EclipseGST · 04-22-2006

It wasnt really all that stupid. He wanted to find out how much they would hold and he did just that. Just cause he wanted to make however much power doesnt mean it had to be with this motor. Yes it sucks but he found out what he wanted to know.

niterydr · 04-22-2006

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Originally Posted by santa

I'm sorry but I'm not trying to bring you down but, thats just stupid to have put stock rod's back in. You wanted to make a lot of power yet you put in weak parts, that doesn't seem very intelligent. I mean, thats like putting a non turbo short block into a turbo dsm... it might have been just for fun, just to see when it would blow up. Sorry for your lose. good luck when you get it running again.

Kevin

The stock rods were suspose to hold alot more power. We think we had a bad apple, and didn't plan on having the rods come apart until the 700+awhp range.
There was a reason I wasn't putting in race gas, and I wasn't reving very high (7600rpm). I was worried about the rods coming apart.

It'll get pauters, it'll get race gas, it'll get a 8500rpm redline, and it will be fast.

I guarantee it wasn't just for fun, I don't have the coin to just fuck around with. I really appreciate your comments, but I will be respectful and hold my tongue regarding you and your dealings with life.

**Goat Blower** · 04-22-2006

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Originally Posted by santa

I mean, thats like putting a non turbo short block into a turbo dsm... it might have been just for fun, just to see when it would blow up.
Kevin

I've got a non-turbo block in my car. What do you think they're made of, cheese?

santa · 04-22-2006

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

I've got a non-turbo block in my car. What do you think they're made of, cheese?

no you dont understand Josh had a few comments a while back about my friend throwing in a non turbo short block(including pistons and rods) until his turbo short block was rebuil. He was planning on doing that just for time being and Josh said that it was pointless and stupid and some other things.

Steve I also have a non turbo block in my car. I know the 2.4 is a non turbo block obviously I pulled mine myself out of a minivan.

As for my life Josh you have no idea. It just didn't make any sense as to why you would not put rod's in when your building a motor. obviously you wanted to go over the power of the stock rod's.

santa · 04-22-2006

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Originally Posted by EclipseGST

It wasnt really all that stupid. He wanted to find out how much they would hold and he did just that. Just cause he wanted to make however much power doesnt mean it had to be with this motor. Yes it sucks but he found out what he wanted to know.

Well, put it this way, what if he snapped the rod and it went through his block or piston then he would have to start all over. Who knows maybe with the twisted rod in there it possibly messed up the bottom part of the sleve in the block. I hope not by all means it sucks to see things like this happen and I am sorry Josh, I wish he best of luck on tearing it apart and getting it ruinning again hopefully on the same block and piston's ect. with just some new rods. Good luck!

Kevin

**JET** · 04-22-2006

Sorry to hear that Swanny, I was hoping to see some more numbers out of it! Hopefully you can still get it back together mid summer and get to the track a few times this year.

As for the forged crank, you already have one! I wouldn't bother with the crank, they aren't known to have issues. I would tend to agree with the theory that it was just a bad rod. I would also check out that injector and make sure it isn't sticking or anything.

Jakey · 04-25-2006

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Originally Posted by niterydr

rod bent under power

Are you planning to have the rod looked at by a metallurgist since it appears you were doing some benchmarking of the stock 3S rods?

niterydr · 04-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Jakey

Are you planning to have the rod looked at by a metallurgist since it appears you were doing some benchmarking of the stock 3S rods?

Decent idea. Do you have one in mind?

Jakey · 04-25-2006

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Originally Posted by niterydr

Decent idea. Do you have one in mind?

Possibly, I'll get back to you.

Enes · 04-25-2006

Sorry to hear what happend...

and to all the other naysayers..... This is where we learn our limits, we should thank him for actualy doing it the way he did so that others can learn from his experiment, and who better to do an experiment like this other than a shop, props.

A good suggestion also would be to get a "freebie" exam of the rod maybe see if any of the "metallurgists" would find out if it was a fluke a weakened rod by manufacturing process or something like that.

Hope you get it back out on the road soon...

Good luck!

-E

niterydr · 04-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Enes

Sorry to hear what happend...

and to all the other naysayers..... This is where we learn our limits, we should thank him for actualy doing it the way he did so that others can learn from his experiment, and who better to do an experiment like this other than a shop, props.

A good suggestion also would be to get a "freebie" exam of the rod maybe see if any of the "metallurgists" would find out if it was a fluke a weakened rod by manufacturing process or something like that.

Hope you get it back out on the road soon...

Good luck!

-E

Thanks Enes. We honestly believe it was just a defective rod or so. I'll figure it out once I rip the motor apart.
-Josh