Obamacare, Opinions? - Page 2

tpunx99GSX · 08-22-2012

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Originally Posted by Halon

I would hope the president and those in office are subject to drug screening. Anyone here that was recently in the military can tell you that we were all subject to random drug screening at any time. I was typically tested about twice a year.

They are not.

**JET** · 08-22-2012

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

(you arent suggesting that the government step in and tell people what to eat, and what to buy, are you? because that would not be very conservative)

Every time i see a missile launch and go boom, i dont see fire... i see dollar bills floating into the air.

I don't care if it is conservative or not, you have assumed I am republican, but I am not. I am an independent. I do lean towards the conservative side on many fiscal aspects, but not all and definitely am not conservative on religion/abortion issues.

There are people that use the food stamp program correctly and how it was meant to be used. I have absolutely no issue with that and applaud her for that. You drastically underestimate how much it is actually abused though. I got offered EBT cards all the time at 50 cents to the dollar when I worked at Target. The system is broken, but it would probably cost more to police it than it would be to just let it go.

And yes I do think that food stamps should be limited more to what people can buy. Have a decent variety, but make it the basic stuff where you cook from scratch, not premade and high end stuff. Back when we were tight on money the people on food stamps were eating better than we were.

The military keeps the money in the U.S. too Tom. Those bombs are produced by US companies, as are the planes and basically everything else. I would rather not see them spend money period, whether or not it stays in the US. Don't get me started on all the damn aid we send to other countries. That is just freaking ridiculous!!

Speedfreak · 08-22-2012

Free Govt money is abused like no other. It's a science many people have mastered and live their life on it. Being involved in low income rental properties over the last few years, it's amazing how many different programs people get money for, and get their rent/expenses etc paid for. These people have no intention of finding jobs, or ever doing better for themselves. They just keep taking. They value money so little(because it all comes free), that when they leave your property(move out), they leave everything they accumulated behind instead of taking their stuff with them. They just start over in the next place with their free govt money. It's ridiculous.

tpunx99GSX · 08-23-2012

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Originally Posted by JET

I don't care if it is conservative or not, you have assumed I am republican, but I am not. I am an independent. I do lean towards the conservative side on many fiscal aspects, but not all and definitely am not conservative on religion/abortion issues.

There are people that use the food stamp program correctly and how it was meant to be used. I have absolutely no issue with that and applaud her for that. You drastically underestimate how much it is actually abused though. I got offered EBT cards all the time at 50 cents to the dollar when I worked at Target. The system is broken, but it would probably cost more to police it than it would be to just let it go.

And yes I do think that food stamps should be limited more to what people can buy. Have a decent variety, but make it the basic stuff where you cook from scratch, not premade and high end stuff. Back when we were tight on money the people on food stamps were eating better than we were.

The military keeps the money in the U.S. too Tom. Those bombs are produced by US companies, as are the planes and basically everything else. I would rather not see them spend money period, whether or not it stays in the US. Don't get me started on all the damn aid we send to other countries. That is just freaking ridiculous!!

I haven't assumed anything. I said it wasnt conservative, apparently no one is a republican anymore, though.

But to that, in the last election name a democrat you voted for?
Food stamps cannot be regulated to what people can buy as it will favor some brands and not others. The only way around this would be to create a government owned brand/store, that these people could only buy from. And honestly, if it wouldnt be called socialism by the right, would be a great idea. That way the gov could get bulk pricing on a number of products at low cost, they could also ensure that the money is used towards healthy eating habits, and people could not abuse the system as much. But like i said, this would be called socialism. (as if thats a bad thing)

yes i know the bombs are produced in the US, but we are mass producing million dollar fireworks, that their only purpose is to topple regimes, kill innocents, and kill baddies, in countries we have no business in. We should be investing that money in something that will better society as a whole. but we want to police the world. (again need to create another thread on this as this is off topic).

**JET** · 08-24-2012

You definitely could regulate what people can and can't buy. You can buy flour, sugar, chicken, hamburger, etc. I don't care what brand it is. You can't buy cookies, chips, premade meals, frozen pizza, etc. They can live and have a decent variety, but they shouldn't be able to get whatever they want. The WIC program does this and has got more strict the way it seems. Look for the WIC tags next to stuff the next time you are in Target or a grocery store. And I would be totally against a government run store.

A//// Guy · 08-24-2012

Regulating what they buy is very socialist imo. Americaaa the freee, except if you are on welfare.

**JET** · 08-24-2012

It could be seen as a form of Marxist socialism, but that is not what I intended. I see unemployment/welfare/food stamps as a temporary means to help someone who has fallen on hard times. It happens and I have no problem helping those people get back on their feet. I am even willing to help those people get an education and contribute to society more.

We totally fail at making a transition from welfare to the working place, their is no incentive for them to get off welfare. You actually make less or the same money if you get a job. Why work for free? Instead of lowering welfare by 100% of what the people earn, we need to lower it 50%. Then they are at least making more money than what they were and will have incentive to work more and eventually get off of welfare.

A//// Guy · 08-24-2012

What I really dont understand is how some of those people keep getting welfare, I know for people who i know that have lost jobs, they have to prove they are looking for work and they even call the people you are interviewing with to prove it. How do the slackers keep the money rolling in? Thats where the problem lies, not enough regulation in some aspects.

It seems like the legit people who lost jobs in the economic slump, are the ones that get cut off after a while, while the legit leechers just produce more kids to keep money flowing?

I agree on more regulation as far as how the money should be spent. Id say no cell phones, cadillacs, etc. lol

polishmafia · 08-24-2012

I am very biased when it comes to this topic, as I work in the healthcare industry.

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Originally Posted by Speedfreak

I haven't read the bill, but I have a little insight from the insurance company point of view. A good friend is an exec in one of our big healthcare companies, and is directly working on healthcare reform(both within their organization, and with the US government).

Without naming names, I'd like to know what part of the healthcare company they work in. I know enough execs, VPs, CIOs, CFOs, etc at my company to know that they all have a different opinion.

Those in Finance, overall, don't like it.
Those in Consumer Services, like it.
Those in Legal, HATE IT because of all the new laws, but some like the idea and some do not.
Those in Public Relations, like it but have to fight the good fight everyday for it.

Its all a matter of perspective.

tpunx99GSX · 08-27-2012

The problem with the statements above on regulating welfare etc, is that no matter what obama or the next president does, it will immediately be labeled socialism. If a conservative does it, the liberals will throw all of the past socialism remarks in their faces, if the liberal does it, then the conservatives will have a field day saying that capitalism is dead, and socialism lives, nanny state, big brother watching etc.
It def wont happen this year as it is an election year.
Pete, Also working in the healthcare industry i have noticed that our company welcomes it, our legal person is a liberal, but I'm not sure about the rest. But he has spoken out about the reform and is really for it. But like you said, it is a matter of perspective.
I like to think of this as a step towards the greater good. Of course i am a liberal as everyone and their mother knows, but i guess i like to think that everyone deserves to be healthy. and now that healthcare reform is done, (although we can still make changes and improve the new system) i think as humans, brothers, sisters, friends, we need to get pissed at people that are abusing the system, and speak out. But not in the current form, where we group a large amount of people into a bucket and yell at them, but when you witness something like this or something that isnt adding up with someone you actually know, call them out, and say what the fuck are you doing with your life. Call it human reform.