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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
I'm curious about when they will have these Hydrogen powered cars.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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I'm curious about when they will have these Hydrogen powered cars.
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When they can figure out how to sell you water at $10 gallon and keep it in short supply. 
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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I'm curious about when they will have these Hydrogen powered cars.
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Mainstream? Depends on who can profit from it.
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I agree with Kracka.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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When they can figure out how to sell you water at $10 gallon and keep it in short supply. |
nice!
this is quite the old thread, but at least a new one wasn't started w/out a search. |
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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Ethanol has some good points, but for every good thing it does, there is a negative side.
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I realize ethanol has some downfalls but just curious Mike, anything in particular that you're referring to here?
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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I realize ethanol has some downfalls but just curious Mike, anything in particular that you're referring to here?
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I'll chime is and state its costing taxpayers a fortune, provides less power/gallon, and harms engines (small engines especially).
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I agree with Kracka.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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costing taxpayers a fortune
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How so?
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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How so?
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Subsidies to farmers and increased cost of gasoline.
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I agree with Kracka.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
well, in reality, today, it requires slightly less energy to produce a gallon than the energy coming out of it, so it's better these days.
but the method for extracting the ethenol uses petroleum, IIRC. double edged sword.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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Subsidies to farmers and increased cost of gasoline.
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What do subsidies based on commodity prices have to do with the ethanol industry costing taxpayers money? How has the ethanol industry caused an increase in the cost of gasoline?
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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but the method for extracting the ethenol uses petroleum, IIRC. double edged sword.
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True. However, the major players in the agricultural diesel engine market (Deere, Cummins, CAT, Iveco, Sisu, Deutz, Perkins, etc.) have made major strides in terms of their ability to run high concentrations of bio-diesel.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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bio-diesel.
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DEATH!
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I agree with Kracka.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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DEATH!
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Why? Come on Hughes, you're not doing a very good job of arguing. 
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
Bio Diesel is one of the best things to come out of soybeans ever. I run E-85 in my minivan all-day everyday, no problems, better gas mileage in town, and I save a shit load of money.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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Originally Posted by Jakey
I realize ethanol has some downfalls but just curious Mike, anything in particular that you're referring to here?
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Corrosion/oxidation to metal parts, deteriorates rubber seals & fuel lines. Requires a richer fuel mixture to burn, so you may save a liitle money in the cost per gallon, but with less fuel economy it may cost you the same or more.
As far as the car companies go, they are probably getting kick-backs, tax breaks or something out of the deal.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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Originally Posted by Emcee gsxtc
Bio Diesel is one of the best things to come out of soybeans ever. I run E-85 in my minivan all-day everyday, no problems, better gas mileage in town, and I save a shit load of money.
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E85 equates to lower MPG, not higher.
Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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E85 equates to lower MPG, not higher.
Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.
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yeah, but e85 costs around 1.79 right now. i think there would probably be some overall savings there. low grade gas is like 2.09. |
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.
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I heard that was due to a bad batch of biodiesel made locally, if we are talking about the same thing.
Also, how is it possible that some people have run biodiesel with no problems, then some truckers get fucked by it?? Methinks there needs to be more refinement and higher standards, but the base for a great fuel supply is definately there.
Edit: plus when you "crack" grease to break it down to biodiesel, you also get glycerin, so cheap soap will be a possibility too.  |
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.
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I have never seen any documentation which proves that. All the trouble that truckers in Minnesota were having recently was from refining issues.
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Re: Study says ethanol not worth the energy
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Corrosion/oxidation to metal parts
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I have never heard of this before.
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deteriorates rubber seals & fuel lines.
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On older vehicles, yes. On newer vehicles, I have never heard of such.
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/gener.../aa102100a.htm
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