We are expanding :)

[EVOMR05]

You can get a decent starter home in the outer portions of the twin cities for the price of this dyno! So see you soon!

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by EclipseGST

Nice! Congrats on the new shop.

Just out of curiousity, how much does a dyno like the one you plan to get go for?

Its not planned, we announced it because we just sent in the downpayment by check via fed-ex. We are getting it . Thank you everyone for the kind words!

[TheLBUGAWD]

That is so badass man hopefully ill be able to be in the dyno days whenever they are. Thanks for all the work on the car you guys she is running great(for now hahah)
Thanks Ross

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[EclipseGST]

Originally Posted by niterydr

Its not planned, we announced it because we just sent in the downpayment by check via fed-ex. We are getting it . Thank you everyone for the kind words!

Ok well that doesnt help me any. I dont care what you paid. How much do they usually go for or do you have a number I can call/website where I can find out. Is it that big of a secret?

[niterydr]

$107,000 base price
+$10,000 for roller upgrade
+$10,000 for roller upgrade
+shipping and handling
+lodging for trainer for our inhouse training.
+building the room in to properly support the dyno
about $150,000 into this "expansion".
More dyno info can be found in the first link.

The base model awd mustang dyno is around $60k.
I've seen dynojets (2wd) as cheap as $20k on ebay.
We felt this is what we need, and we only buy tools once.

[EclipseGST]

Thank you! Definately a good choice! I feel the same way about buying tools once, cheaper and more reliable then having to upgrade a million times or be without because one broke.

[niterydr]

Just didn't want to post up the price as we didn't want it to look like we were bragging. It is a very expensive piece of equipment, like most of the equipment we own.

[snea]

I have to hand it to you guy's, I live down south of the cities about two and a half hours, and I think I might show up to get some numbers taken down...

You got it, buy it once and buy THE BEST.

[SlowWhite]

Hopefully the day you announce your first Dyno day, I'll be able to come up and join in on the fun.

[CarPsyco84]

Definatly will have to put the saturn SOHC in the low hp contest...

[FattyBoomBatty]

oh yeah, vw scirocco for the win.

[TheBlizzard]

Just for informations sake:

Who is going to be doing the tuning when you dyno cars? Are any of the LSE owners/employees going through any sort of training to be able to fully understand and setup all kinds of stand alones?

What kinds of cars are you going to specialize in tuning? DSMs/3S cars only? Or are you guys going to be broad and tune Hondas and Domestics as well?

I have just heard of few horror stories on newer shops blowing up customer cars because of lack of real world experience tuning. Training and reading on the internet can only get so far.

Any of you going to AEM training by chance?

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Just for informations sake:

Who is going to be doing the tuning when you dyno cars? Are any of the LSE owners/employees going through any sort of training to be able to fully understand and setup all kinds of stand alones?

What kinds of cars are you going to specialize in tuning? DSMs/3S cars only? Or are you guys going to be broad and tune Hondas and Domestics as well?

I have just heard of few horror stories on newer shops blowing up customer cars because of lack of real world experience tuning. Training and reading on the internet can only get so far.

Any of you going to AEM training by chance?

Training, yes.
Despite the many hours we have on a dynojet with the EMS (few different setups), s-afc's, gm maf-t's, dsmlinks, etc..we are also attending EFI University to make sure we all have the "basics" down. Of the dozen cars we have tuned on "other people's" dyno's, we've never had a problem and consistantly make good power on many setups.
We will stay mostly import on the tuning, but all are welcome to dyno.
The aem training is just a "how to" on to operate the software correctly. We already know majority of the in's and out's of them, but will probably attend the class as well.
I know on John's personal cars "we" have well over 200 pulls, and countless hours of street tuning, and tuning at 3 other facilities with a variety of setups and platforms.
But thanks for the inquiry .
We are not claiming to know everything, but we are very very far from worried when it comes to "nuking" a customer's car by doing a rookie mistake.
Finally, our personal cars will be the first to use the dyno.

[Pushit2.0]

We will let anyone use our dyno, and we will look into attending a few other tuning classes and read up on all the forms and websites we can find. It is a learning curve, and we as a company will try to stay as fare above the curve as possible. Working on cars is a challenge, there is no point where you will know everything, thats what makes it fun. The ability to adapt and learn somthing new is what defines your success in this industry.

~John

[Jakey]

What all do you fellas have experience with (tuning methods)?

[Pushit2.0]

AFC, AFCII, AFC/MAFT combos, AEM EMS, Eprom, DSM link, etc. I have helped with tunning: Greddy Emanage, Split second, Hondata, Motec and a few other weird ones.

~John

[TheBlizzard]

Are any of you experienced in setting up base maps. Thats where it get pretty tough tailoring a stand alone to closely match someones mods. Most of the good ones (AEM) have wizards for a lot of things but there is still a lot that has to be setup.

[niterydr]

The majority of the popular tuning systems. EMS, Emanage, S-afc, gm maf-t setups, dsmlink, eprom ecu tuning and chip burning, split second, DIY wideband stuff, Z-Tronix wideband stuff, innovative wideband stuff.
Its more of knowing the vehicles, and knowing how to manipulate the software properly.
Each manufacture, and more importantly each CAR wants different amounts of timing, fuel, boost. We are going to classes to make sure we know what we think we know (never hurts to learn). Then it is a learning curve, like John mentioned.
We will never claim to be the "experts" on any tuning software, piggyback, or standalone ecu, because as we haven't invented it, and tuned every car available for it, on every possible setup, you can't be the expert.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Are any of you experienced in setting up base maps. Thats where it get pretty tough tailoring a stand alone to closely match someones mods. Most of the good ones (AEM) have wizards for a lot of things but there is still a lot that has to be setup.

John has the 105th ever made EMS for the dsm's. That base-map was originally setup by Ryan, John, and I back in 2002? Early 2003? Hell if I remember. Something stupid like version .63 or .78 or something. We've been dynoing since way "back in the day" when 400whp was unheard of on pump gas (until we did it in the galant). The good old days, when 500whp was a lot, not the norm ::shrugs::
I know we've been using Elite's dyno since 2001. John has busted drivetrain infront of the shop (funny stuff looking back on it) but we've never nuked one on the dyno.
We've also never had a motor come apart now that we are on the "prove yourself" mode.
None of us are "Godlike" tuners that tune cars 24/7 (yet, lol!) but its not like we've never seen a "dyno thingy" before.
We do appreciate the inquiry and the concerns.

Edit*
Hell the first time we used Elite's dyno, Issac was "the tuner/dyno operator", and Devon was still there. I think Shane was doing his IT stuff at the time.

[Pushit2.0]

We did spend time on the little things that makes the EMS great. We started from nothing and built all the maps to our liking. We set up the cold starts, hot starts, idle, crusing, throtle tip in, etc. I drove the car everyday and in the winter. Started and drove like a champ everytime unless the normal DSM tranny issues or somthing came up. I also would get 25mpg driving around, kind or normal anyways.

~John