beaterX project thread - Page 20

**Kracka** · 08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Test fitting their downpipe ftw, lol.

Why didn't you keep it once it was on there?

Matt D. · 08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Why didn't you keep it once it was on there?

It wasn't pretty enough.

**Murlo26** · 08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Why didn't you keep it once it was on there?

A: bought the AMS one already.
B: Main reason I like AMS is cast and many other shops said they saw the biggest gains with theirs, whether or not is true, who knows, but it was trusted shops.

I kind of wish I would've known i was going to test fit it, probably would've gotten a good deal on it

And could've had external dump...mmmmm.

Scheides, what day you going to DB? I want a ride next weekend at the cookout if there is time

**Kracka** · 08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

B: Main reason I like AMS is cast and many other shops said they saw the biggest gains with theirs, whether or not is true, who knows, but it was trusted shops.

Have further details?

**Murlo26** · 08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Have further details?

Not for this thread, lol, i clog enough threads, take it to mine if you want and I will try to look for some stuff.

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Originally Posted by scheides

Thursday afternoon. Prolly no rides at the cookout, cops everywhere and I plan on actually checking out all the cars this year; I'm always dinking with cars or test driving MR's that aren't test-driveable or some shit. I wanna just enjoy the show this year. Rides at any other style meet or whenever else, fo sho!

Sweet, yea I will hit ya up at a wednesday meet or something

**scheides** · 08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Scheides, what day you going to DB? I want a ride next weekend at the cookout if there is time

Thursday afternoon. Prolly no rides at the cookout, cops everywhere and I plan on actually checking out all the cars this year; I'm always dinking with cars or test driving MR's that aren't test-driveable or some shit. I wanna just enjoy the show this year. Rides at any other style meet or whenever else, fo sho!

Alpha D · 08-26-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

. Prolly no rides at the cookout, cops everywhere

Tomato's i better slow down once i get few miles from rogers since ill be speeding like a maniac trying and catch some of the event

**scheides** · 08-20-2010

Yea I'm just as big of a whiner as anyone, just joshin

PB Blaster is teh magic souce!

**scheides** · 08-26-2010

Got the new setup tuned today! As usual, Shane couldn't push timing much as beaterX is kinda a bitch and/or we just don't have very awesome pump gas around here. Shane said that the car *loved* timing in that it would make decent gains for every degree added but it wasn't always liking it. We ended up running only about 13°*up top, really a lot less than I expected, but the car feels fantastic now.

It rolled in at 321whp @27psi tapering to 25-25.5 and left with 346 @ 28 tapering to 26 and a crap-load more midrange than it came in with. More on that in a sec.

Dyno Dynamics numbers, 1.0CF:

Shootout/Dynojet numbers:

28psi peak, tapering to 26. Here's where a BCS might help a bit up top, but my FMIC is overtaxed as it is, so meh. Both Bryan@GST Motorsports and Chad@CBRD said that every psi over 25 yields great great gains on this turbo and that 28 is a great target for pump gas.

Nice and rich to help prevent knock

Here's the best! When I first bolted this thing on, it was at or below the torque of my stock turbo. NOW with the tuning love from DB Performance, I went from 282wtq on the stock turbo to 311wtq with the BBX! Granted, I also have the MAP o2 elim downpipe on the car now as well but it really doesn't matter, the new setup lost some spool but I'm up torque and power bigtime!

+68whp/+29wtq

Lost about 800rpm of spool, but this turbo is rated at 58lbs/min. Seeing 25psi by 3900rpm is pretty damn good imho.

I'm extremely happy with the new setup! So smooth, decent power, and should be very reliable. Time to go to the track and see if I can get this bish into the 12's! I've got 2000 miles on the ACT 6-puck and 1000 miles on the BBX already; I'm ready to just keep driving this thing and keep having fun!

**Murlo26** · 08-26-2010

Awesome, great numbers for pump gas! I think that is right about where I saw an FPred on an X hit for pump gas on Shanes dyno.

Bet it feels great, congrats Scheides!

**goodhart** · 08-26-2010

Looks awesome man! How close is tephra to figuring our X map-switching? Maybe try out an alternate map for E85?

If these are anything like the IX's, I bet some cams would really wake up that turbo, both spool-wise and power-wise.

**mlomker** · 08-26-2010

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Originally Posted by goodhart

How close is tephra to figuring our X map-switching?

Done! The first rev of the Tephra ROM is out. KnockCEL is awesome and map switching can be done using the gas pedal or cruise control. NLTS will be a big breakthrough, whenever it happens.

Hell, I can't wait to have Shane do PSI-based boost control instead of load. Tephra is teh man.

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If these are anything like the IX's, I bet some cams would really wake up that turbo, both spool-wise and power-wise.

That's one of those areas where there hasn't been enough testing just yet. You can't just tell people to buy FP4Rs and call it a day.

**scheides** · 08-26-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

Done! The first rev of the Tephra ROM is out. ...

That's one of those areas where there hasn't been enough testing just yet. You can't just tell people to buy FP4Rs and call it a day.

Yuppers, goodhart I'm actually a beta tester for Tephra, but its been out for months now

Def need NLTS, I miss it

Lomker I gotta check out your car sometime (or murlo's whenever it runs again) and check out the cam situation. Not in the near future for my car but the gains some people are posting up on the national boards are awfully enticing

I'm planning on doing an exhaust manifold next, but after that its a crossroads. High-octane mods, or efficiency mods (and more pump gas). Either way I'm hitting 4.9v on the stock maf housing @7500rpm and the dw800's I got from you are going to be quickly maxed unless I go alky, so yea. I kinda have the evoX equivelant (in my mind) to the old 1G DSM w/ 2G MAF, 550s, and 16g combo.

**Murlo26** · 08-26-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

Yuppers, goodhart I'm actually a beta tester for Tephra, but its been out for months now

Def need NLTS, I miss it

Lomker I gotta check out your car sometime (or murlo's whenever it runs again) and check out the cam situation. Not in the near future for my car but the gains some people are posting up on the national boards are awfully enticing

I'm planning on doing an exhaust manifold next, but after that its a crossroads. High-octane mods, or efficiency mods (and more pump gas). Either way I'm hitting 4.9v on the stock maf housing @7500rpm and the dw800's I got from you are going to be quickly maxed unless I go alky, so yea. I kinda have the evoX equivelant (in my mind) to the old 1G DSM w/ 2G MAF, 550s, and 16g combo.

It is really hit or miss, the whole cam debate from what I have seen. Some show huge gains and others show minimal. I know HB Speed and GST both are bananas over the GSC and kelfords and hate the cosworth, but take that with a grain of salt.

I think they help but they are nothing like the power adder on the 8's. They will make the motor more efficient for sure, but if you are maxing a turbo already they won't do much.

Jim, I think you were just able to max the turbo already on E85 so you didn't see much for gains. If you were running pump like scheides the gains would've been there more I think.

edit: I am not sure who was the bad luck charm, you or Mike...you both rode in my car within 24 hours of its death, lol. Hmmm

**mlomker** · 08-27-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

Lomker I gotta check out your car sometime

I'd give you the keys any time. I always assumed you were going alky or I wouldn't have offered the 800's. I thought you'd be fine on those.

Does your AFE intake use the stock MAF housing? hmm. Not sure what'd be most cost effective. The problem is that the JM Fab flanges are over $50 and that skews the economics when it comes to DIY approaches.

TalonFiero · 08-26-2010

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Originally Posted by goodhart

Looks awesome man! How close is tephra to figuring our X map-switching? Maybe try out an alternate map for E85?

If these are anything like the IX's, I bet some cams would really wake up that turbo, both spool-wise and power-wise.

Cams wake up the VIII, cams really do nothing for the IX.

**goodhart** · 08-26-2010

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Originally Posted by TalonFiero

Cams wake up the VIII, cams really do nothing for the IX.

Well, I was really just talking more spool for the IX. I know Kracka said they made his turbo spool noticeably better. idk

**Kracka** · 08-27-2010

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Originally Posted by goodhart

Well, I was really just talking more spool for the IX. I know Kracka said they made his turbo spool noticeably better. idk

Cams on my IX didn't do anything for peak power numbers, but they really fattened up the power band.

311evo · 08-26-2010

What a solid set up. It's such a smooth powerful ride it's mind blowing. Thanks again for the ride and letting me stick around and hang out!

**scheides** · 08-26-2010

It was fun man! Thanks for comign along on the test drive, always nice to have a spotter!