05-04-2012
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Who has my man-card?
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Re: E85 Blends
I will try to bring one as well.
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05-04-2012
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: E85 Blends
62% doesn't meet the EPA's requirements for E85 so my initial thoughts are to verify the accuracy of the testers since they could face huge fines, plus it just doesn't make sense economically to blend at that level.
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I agree with Kracka.
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05-04-2012
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back in the saddle again
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Re: E85 Blends
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Originally Posted by Kracka
62% doesn't meet the EPA's requirements for E85 so my initial thoughts are to verify the accuracy of the testers since they could face huge fines, plus it just doesn't make sense economically to blend at that level.
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That is my thought. I figured either it was old/diluted E-70 winter blend or the tester isn't accurate.
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05-04-2012
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Transmission destroyer
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Re: E85 Blends
I have heard of multiple people having low readings from all over the place, I don't think its the testers. Weren't there a lit of low ass numbers at b4b too? Maybe this crappy e85 could be why? E70 to e85 made like a 15-20 HP difference on my Evo.
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05-04-2012
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: E85 Blends
maybe this is why mine only put down 407 and 355 a few weeks after my initial tune, same boost, same timing who knows
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05-05-2012
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Re: E85 Blends
I tested e85 at the Kwik Trip in Shakopee (Near Walmart), Holiday at 169 and 41, and at my hometown Kwik Trip in Belle Plaine, they were all at low 60%.
I also tested the e85 at the local Cenex in Belle Plaine and found its was about 50%!
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05-05-2012
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Is funding Exxon.
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Re: E85 Blends
Looks like this isn't being regulated well. Gas is cheaper than ethanol, so the lower percentage there is in the gas, the more money someone is making. Just have to figure out who the "someone" is that is messing things up!
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My motorcycle is stock and reliable, my Talon is neither!
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05-05-2012
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: E85 Blends
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Originally Posted by JET
Gas is cheaper than ethanol, so the lower percentage there is in the gas, the more money someone is making.
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No it's not, RBOB gasoline is currently $0.77 more than CBOT ethanol per gallon (as of market-close 5/4/12). This is why blenders are all currently blending at the 10% maximum allowed by the EPA in gasoline. E15 has actually already been approved too, but they're still in the process of rolling that out; expect to start seeing it at some stations in a few select states such as Kansas and maybe Iowa as early as July. I'm sure Minnesota won't be too far behind either...
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I agree with Kracka.
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05-05-2012
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immune from paybans
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Re: E85 Blends
Yea, the 10% ethanol blend is actually cheaper than the non E10 gas here in Iowa. E85 is still under $3.00 as well. I'll have to get one of those testers to see what Kum & Go has for a percentage right now (main chain that sells E85 here).
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05-05-2012
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Re: E85 Blends
Corborns Belle Plaine e85 ethanol content, 70% woohoo!
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05-05-2012
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Re: E85 Blends
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Originally Posted by goodhart
I have heard of multiple people having low readings from all over the place, I don't think its the testers. Weren't there a lit of low ass numbers at b4b too? Maybe this crappy e85 could be why? E70 to e85 made like a 15-20 HP difference on my Evo.
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Dustins car only put down 618 at B4B but yet he previously made 600 on RS' dyno... go figure...
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05-05-2012
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back in the saddle again
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Re: E85 Blends
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Originally Posted by blackrosenova400
Corborns Belle Plaine e85 ethanol content, 70% woohoo!
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Nice! While that is a drive for me, if I buy a full tank it may be worth it.
What is the price per gallon?
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05-05-2012
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Transmission destroyer
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Re: E85 Blends
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Dustins car only put down 618 at B4B but yet he previously made 600 on RS' dyno... go figure...
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Yea Bryce's car only made like 570ish too, it had made 580ish at DB two months ago, and 660 shootout, which is damn close to MAP numbers. Shane said he tested the Rogers E85 at 77% yesterday. Spaz filled up there and made some pretty decent power today.
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I swing from the nuts of cold hard data. Anything less is a guess.
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05-05-2012
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Re: E85 Blends
3.19$
Dont be feeding off of my gold corn stash!
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Nice! While that is a drive for me, if I buy a full tank it may be worth it.
What is the price per gallon?
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05-06-2012
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Re: E85 Blends
So does everyone constantly change their tunes for the mixed blend?
Or is everyone's numbers changing purely because the mix changes and in turn the AFRs?
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05-06-2012
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Transmission destroyer
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Re: E85 Blends
Just the mix and AFR's mostly. With my Evo the car was tuned on E70 for around 11.2-11.3 AFR, but when the full blend got to the pumps, it would lean itself out to about 12.2-12.3. On my car it was about a 20 HP/TQ difference
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I swing from the nuts of cold hard data. Anything less is a guess.
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05-06-2012
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Re: E85 Blends
Shane tested fuel from my rail yesterday on the dyno - 72%. Came from the Holiday downtown minneapolis by the twins stadium.
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I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
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S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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05-18-2012
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: E85 Blends
Where do you get these testers?
Since '06 i've never tested it, just tune rich on the shitty stuff or tune good on the E85 and let it get rich as the blend gets weaker.
Would it make tuning easier?
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05-18-2012
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Transmission destroyer
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Re: E85 Blends
Well, you would know what you're dealing with at least I guess. Buschnuts has them on his website for like $15. Seems to be about the going rate. I have one also, but its packed away with all my shit in the storage unit I think.
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I swing from the nuts of cold hard data. Anything less is a guess.
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05-18-2012
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: E85 Blends
no locals sell it?
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