10-02-2009
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: turbo question
Journal bearing should not need restrictors if oil pressure is in the normal range and if the turbo is properly built. I know that for a fact because I talked to the head guy at PTE themselves and he said. Now a BB turbo will and I got a restrictor for my pte BB turbo from PTE. The guy at Precision said that their journal bearing turbos like alot of oil since they are not water cooled. 4seasons69 just send it in to Precision and have it done right and correct the first time. They are great guys and are willing to explain things and work with you there.
I copied this from another thread it was posted by 95talonracer
so given the fact that i'm in on the low side of what would be considered the normal range I don't really for see oil pressure being the problem
Last edited by 4seasons69; 10-02-2009 at 01:45 PM..
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10-02-2009
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#22
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Re: turbo question
ok i sent you a pm, told you to call me. still havent heard anything so im guessing you dont want me to fix it?
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10-02-2009
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#23
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by jhaan_dude
ok i sent you a pm, told you to call me. still havent heard anything so im guessing you dont want me to fix it?
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it's alright I'll get it taken care of else where
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10-02-2009
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#24
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Re: turbo question
just call me anyway!
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10-02-2009
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flips McGee
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Re: turbo question
Just want to add to this that the key part of the restrictor thing is where oil is being fed from. If its from the head, its less of an issue. If its from the oil filter housing, its more of an issue. Different cars, different oils, different pressures.
I love stock or stock frame turbos, none of this nonsense
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10-02-2009
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by scheides
Just want to add to this that the key part of the restrictor thing is where oil is being fed from. If its from the head, its less of an issue. If its from the oil filter housing, its more of an issue. Different cars, different oils, different pressures.
I love stock or stock frame turbos, none of this nonsense
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This is because the restrictor is built right into the feed at the turbo.
Garrett center sections are meant to be universal, so its up to you to control flow to the turbo.
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10-02-2009
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#27
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by jhaan_dude
just call me anyway!
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I have to get going to wor. if you'll be at the dyno day we can chat tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by scheides
Just want to add to this that the key part of the restrictor thing is where oil is being fed from. If its from the head, its less of an issue. If its from the oil filter housing, its more of an issue. Different cars, different oils, different pressures.
I love stock or stock frame turbos, none of this nonsense
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I completely agree with what you said on that one but my other turbos have been fine. and I just got off the phone with pte and explained my whole setup and the guy said I shouldn't need a restrictor and actually recommened against using one for an scm61
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10-02-2009
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Re: turbo question
In/out play or up/down?
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10-02-2009
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Re: turbo question
ok, i will see you saturday. i kind of wanted to have it rebuilt and fixed for you by dyno day!
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10-02-2009
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#30
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by blackrosenova400
In/out play or up/down?
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both
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Originally Posted by jhaan_dude
ok, i will see you saturday. i kind of wanted to have it rebuilt and fixed for you by dyno day!
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it's ok. I appreciate you offering it but I just don't have the time to pull the thing again tonight.
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10-02-2009
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
I have to get going to wor. if you'll be at the dyno day we can chat tomorrow.
I completely agree with what you said on that one but my other turbos have been fine. and I just got off the phone with pte and explained my whole setup and the guy said I shouldn't need a restrictor and actually recommened against using one for an scm61
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Well I dont think ill buy a Pte turbo ever, that guy doenst know what hes talkin about.
If you were to calculate flow and compare it to how much flow a 14b receives that is already restricted (which is a journal bearing too btw), you would find you are flowing about 10.33 times more oil with a 4AN line feeding your turbo than a 14b would receive. Do you really think that center section can handle that much oil?
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10-02-2009
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by blackrosenova400
Well I dont think ill buy a Pte turbo ever, that guy doenst know what hes talkin about.
If you were to calculate flow and compare it to how much flow a 14b receives that is already restricted (which is a journal bearing too btw), you would find you are flowing about 10.33 times more oil with a 4AN line feeding your turbo than a 14b would receive. Do you really think that center section can handle that much oil?
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you're right the company that manufactured the turbo doesn't know what they are talking about when it comes to their product
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10-02-2009
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
you're right the company that manufactured the turbo doesn't know what they are talking about when it comes to their product
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They didn't manufacture the center section. Its a Garrett center section like I said.
Look im only trying to help.
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10-02-2009
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: turbo question
I know your trying to help and I appreciate that but either way I think they know their product good enough
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10-02-2009
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Re: turbo question
alrighty no need to argue over something dumb like this. thanks for the help everyone!!!! I think i've got it figured out
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10-02-2009
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by blackrosenova400
Well I dont think ill buy a Pte turbo ever, that guy doenst know what hes talkin about.
If you were to calculate flow and compare it to how much flow a 14b receives that is already restricted (which is a journal bearing too btw), you would find you are flowing about 10.33 times more oil with a 4AN line feeding your turbo than a 14b would receive. Do you really think that center section can handle that much oil?
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I think PTE has much more knowlege then most of us on this board. They service guy is really nice and why the hell would he tell a customer that has one of their products to do something that is going to fuck up their turbo and make them (pte) look bad? I think not. I guarantee that if he were to buy that exact turbo new from PTE that there would be no issue with any oil leak or smoke anywhere! Im pretty sure PTE is a pretty good turbo given the number of people running them with good numbers to show for with no problem. You get what you pay for with turbos I guess. I have found this out the hard way as well. 4seasons69 I would just ask for your miney back or send it strait to PTE nad they will be very fair with you and dont even go to Diesel components. You might as well send it to the ones that make the dam thing if that makes since at all.
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
you're right the company that manufactured the turbo doesn't know what they are talking about when it comes to their product
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Ha ya that makes since.
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
alrighty no need to argue over something dumb like this. thanks for the help everyone!!!! I think i've got it figured out
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PM me if you have any questions regarding your issue since I went through the exact same thing with my scm61 and delt with the service guy at PTE. Make sure that if you send in your turbo to them that it isnt a mutt turbo with a bunch of random parts thrown together and has ALL PTE parts on it or they may not treat you as nice.
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10-05-2009
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: turbo question
well I figured I'd just throw this in here for the fun of it. I talked to pte, fp, bullseye power, and turbonetics and all of them said I should not need a restrictor in my journal bearing turbo and would recommend against using one. (i'm still waiting to hear back from blouch and I could find any good contact info to contact garret)
on another note julian tried to tell me that my bep v-trim didn't burn oil because there was a built in restrictor. when I called bep the guy said there is definitely no built in restrictor.
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10-05-2009
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#38
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Shit Rocket Pilot
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
well I figured I'd just throw this in here for the fun of it. I talked to pte, fp, bullseye power, and turbonetics and all of them said I should not need a restrictor in my journal bearing turbo and would recommend against using one. (i'm still waiting to hear back from blouch and I could find any good contact info to contact garret)
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Which is what we've all been saying all along. Well, except for Julian... Ask Mark how his freshly rebuilt turbo is doing.
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10-05-2009
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Re: turbo question
when you say mark are you talking about tkr?? julian rebuilt his turbo??
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10-05-2009
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Shit Rocket Pilot
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Re: turbo question
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
when you say mark are you talking about tkr?? julian rebuilt his turbo??
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Yes, TKR Mark. Mark didn't make it to the dyno day because his car didn't even make it around the block without the turbo going bad. He must have forgot to put in a restrictor.
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Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
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