11-06-2012
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#21
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Blaine
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Re: New Short Block
You guys think I can get away with doing a stock block and new internals? The stock block is $2500 with my discount.
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11-06-2012
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#22
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: New Short Block
Can you stick a 4b11 out of another car and tell mitsu to suck it?
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11-06-2012
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#23
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flips McGee
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Re: New Short Block
$7500 yeow! Penny pinch man, penny pinch. I saved $$ on my motor build by doing as much myself as I felt comfortable with but it still bit me in the butt in a few spots.
I'm down with the full stage1 setup, good solid motor setup. Clean up the head. Pray none of the valves are bent--I had 6 bent IIRC and it cost me a pretty penny to fix. Send the cams AND valve tappets with to the machine shop as I wasted probably TEN days waiting for stupid new tappets and other misc delays....anyways strap it down with standard ARP headstuds torqued with a good solid torque wrench, don't forget the little oil filter screen that sits on the top of the block.
More spots I saved cash on:
The gasket kit--listed as $310 above idk what's in it so I just ordered peice-by-piece from mitsu (looked back at my notes for this) for $121.85:
intake manifold
headgasket
head-to-waterpump
head-to-tstat housing
turbo coolant hose (mine was a little iffy)
turbo drain-to-block o-ring
4x oil filter housing-to-oil cooler copper washers
This leaves room for cheapo o'reily 10w30 oil for break-in, coolant, a small pile of oil filters and a fresh set of plugs.
That reminds me, I have lomker's HKS spark plugs to use during your break-in if you want....no big boost on them but you can do all the vacuum pulls you want on them and then swap in a set of fresshie gapped plugs once you're ready to tune.
Also I put in a fresh clutch disc in for my HDG6 to give it some extra life for something super cheap like $150.
I'll post up anythign else I can think of.
Also be SMART and don't go more than a few miles once you get it back together without double and maybe triple-checking ALL fluids in the car--engine oil, coolant, trans fluid, xfer case fluid, brake fluid, clutch fluid. I see people turn a blind eye to this shit...if you had a hand in assembly or not be smart and check these!
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S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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11-07-2012
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#24
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: New Short Block
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Originally Posted by Trogdor
You guys think I can get away with doing a stock block and new internals? The stock block is $2500 with my discount.
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That's what a stage 1 "built" engine is...stock block/crank plus aftermarket rods/pistons/bearings.
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11-07-2012
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#25
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Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: New Short Block
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That's what a stage 1 "built" engine is...stock block/crank plus aftermarket rods/pistons/bearings.
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And this will safely take me up to the mid 400's?
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11-07-2012
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#26
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Re: New Short Block
Mid 400's is doable with a stock shortblock, stage 1 will take you safely to 600.
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11-07-2012
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#27
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Transmission destroyer
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Re: New Short Block
4g63 swap it.
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11-07-2012
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: stillwater
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Re: New Short Block
Kracka is making alot of power on stock motor on pump gas. stage 1 will be more then enough for what your going to throw at it.
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11-07-2012
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#29
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: New Short Block
I still think throwing in a 4b11 out of something else would be dirt and they you put a bow on it and tell mitsu to suck it.
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11-07-2012
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#30
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flips McGee
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Re: New Short Block
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Originally Posted by Trogdor
And this will safely take me up to the mid 400's?
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Hell ya, look at my car I have weakened mine by getting the stock sleeves bored .020" over and it's rocking 600@MAP no problem.
The stage 1 h-beam rods are technically not as strong but for the price difference it's way worth it, they will be plenty strong!
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...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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11-07-2012
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#31
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: New Short Block
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
I still think throwing in a 4b11 out of something else would be dirt and they you put a bow on it and tell mitsu to suck it.
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So you want him to break his lease and attempt to defraud Mitsubishi? Damaged credit and a bill for a longblock + labor at retail...sounds smart.
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11-07-2012
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#32
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: New Short Block
Sounds cheap to me.
I didn't see where he mentioned he can't do that, but ok.
Oh my bad, turns out I should know every detail of the lease before I make suggestions.
Being serious, i just think that would be funny and the cheapest way.
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11-07-2012
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#33
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Re: New Short Block
Cheapest way to do what, exactly?
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11-07-2012
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#34
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: New Short Block
Put a motor in the car that works.
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11-07-2012
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#35
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Re: New Short Block
Yes, finding a junkyard 4B11T from a 2008-2013 Evo X would probably be his cheapest alternative, but he has expressed no interest in replacing his blown up engine with another stock one.
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11-07-2012
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#36
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: New Short Block
Apart from you, they do seem to blow-up pretty easily.
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11-07-2012
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#37
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Re: New Short Block
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
Apart from you, they do seem to blow-up pretty easily.
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Not really, but Minnesota does seem to have more than the rest. I'm at 49k miles already, and I have a friend at 55k miles making power in the high-400's with the stock block. From my personal experience, I've driven my X more miles than I drove my IX, and have done less maintenance and repairs on it.
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11-07-2012
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#38
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: New Short Block
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Not really, but Minnesota does seem to have more than the rest. I'm at 49k miles already, and I have a friend at 55k miles making power in the high-400's with the stock block. From my personal experience, I've driven my X more miles than I drove my IX, and have done less maintenance and repairs on it.
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X's blowing up happen a lot less now a days. I think people have learned their lesson and enough info is now out there on what not to do.
I agree, besides self inflicted injuries my car hasn't had any like problems that would happen to a stock car, like suspension issues or any of that crap.
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11-07-2012
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#39
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: New Short Block
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Not really, but Minnesota does seem to have more than the rest. I'm at 49k miles already, and I have a friend at 55k miles making power in the high-400's with the stock block. From my personal experience, I've driven my X more miles than I drove my IX, and have done less maintenance and repairs on it.
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well i'm only really subjected to them on style.
But apart from this random that troggy has experienced sounds like they are pretty good.
high 400s is damn good too.
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11-07-2012
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#40
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Re: New Short Block
Word. Come down to Texas I'll we attempt to get BBQ again!
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