View Poll Results: Where do I go from here? (now that all of the children have grown up...)
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Build the X
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No one wants a $60k evo with high monthly payments, get out now and buy a 9.
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05-14-2013
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#2821
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: stillwater
Drives: cbr 1000rr repsol
Posts: 1,451
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
If you can make 800 plus on a dynojet and be do nlts I think you could pull on liter bikes up top. You can always try and find out. Haha. Looking good tho. Wish I could get a ride in it some time. We should have a mini cruise some weekend.
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05-14-2013
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#2822
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
I am sure the setup has 800ish in it if i go around 40psi, to get a solid "real" 800whp on a dynojet. Right now these are just virtual dyno numbers and I don't ever put a ton of stock in them. The car is for sure fast and I think is for sure 700whp+ but not sure how deep into them.
The X doesn't have true NLTS yet, you can do some stationary rev limit stuff to get it but I'd prefer to wait. Or shift ron style, power shift it.
I will give rides out when it's ready to beat on and consistent.
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05-14-2013
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#2823
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Transmission destroyer
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cambridge
Drives: G37, 91 TSi
Posts: 7,150
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Nice power! Have you been getting e70 still at the pump? Just curious, cause once the mix changes it is going to lean out even more, which will mean more tuning. Or are you already planning for that?
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05-14-2013
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#2824
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
I dunno...even here we didn't see a count of knock, I think we are on real e85.
Same road as others....lean is mean lol. It was the 1st pull on rescaled map, we fixed it right away.
We will tune more if it starts going lean. I monitor AFR's pretty close.
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05-15-2013
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#2825
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mankato
Drives: 2004 Evo 8
Posts: 1,152
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
My zeitronix has been reading about E73/E74 down in Mankato.
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05-15-2013
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#2826
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Prior Lake
Drives: Icarus
Posts: 1,375
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
800 WHP and it looks like you have more pump left
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05-15-2013
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#2827
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immune from paybans
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: West Des Moines
Drives: poorly
Posts: 4,358
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Murlo you really need an ethanol tester haha. Tune to mid 11's on E70 and let'r buck at low 12's on real E85.
Edit: I forgot to mention, when I had fuel pressure issues on my V, it would go to 15:1 and never see knock, that was spring so it could have been less then E85. Granted it was only running 10psi but still, I wouldn't guarantee you have full E85.
Last edited by asshanson; 05-15-2013 at 02:02 AM..
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05-15-2013
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#2828
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flips McGee
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
These guys have a pretty good point, there's no way we're on real e85 yet...you should really richen up the tune so when you do see real e85 AFR will rise to where it is now.
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I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
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...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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05-15-2013
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#2829
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by scheides
These guys have a pretty good point, there's no way we're on real e85 yet...you should really richen up the tune so when you do see real e85 AFR will rise to where it is now.
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I will monitor and adjust as necessary. If it starts climbing we can adjust later.
My car seems to run WAY better at 12-12.5AFR's and that is not uncommon for E85 from the stuff I have seen. That being said I still like aiming for 12 flat like we have now. Then when it starts leaning out we will adjust to keep 12 and then I can leave it for when e70 comes and it will richen up.
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05-15-2013
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#2830
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formerly ecoli
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: On the dyno
Posts: 4,892
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Are you sure your wideband is reading correctly. The power difference between 11.5 and 12.5 shouldn't be much and the start of your run looks very lean, you sure it isn't reading a point leaner than it really is or something?
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05-15-2013
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#2831
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance
Are you sure your wideband is reading correctly. The power difference between 11.5 and 12.5 shouldn't be much and the start of your run looks very lean, you sure it isn't reading a point leaner than it really is or something?
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Pretty confident, a few weeks ago when I was on MAP's dyno we confirmed they were reading pretty close compared to the dyno's wideband.
I am not confident it's 100% but I think its pretty close.
I also would take these graphs with a grain of salt, I haven't done any back to back runs to average it out or confirm what the car is doing on a consistent basis. And as I said the road isn't very flat so the 800 is for sure flukey I think. I can maybe believe the 750 but the 800 I think is road error or something.
My car has pretty consistently shown though that it likes 12-12.5 and seems to like 12.5 quite a bit and honestly when its leaner like that the car actually feels smoother and obviously faster. My car hated low 11's for some reason, seemed to bog and sputter some.
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05-15-2013
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#2832
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Champlin
Drives: 09 G8 GT
Posts: 153
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Just curious, during install of this turbo you were expecting sub 4K spool up. By the look of the graphs it looks like your building ~30psi around 4600-4700 RPM. Is this because you were encountering the surging at first, or can you speak to this a little more?
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Last edited by Knoxville; 05-15-2013 at 03:08 PM..
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05-15-2013
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#2833
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
We were able to get it to spool before 4k, but yes it would surge and the motor at the low of an rpm cannot actually ingest the volume of air this turbo creates until higher in the RPM band. So we slowed spool down through mivec and the 3port.
Also, remember this is starting the pull at 3-3.5k rpms, so if I start the pull at 2500 it will be closer to 4k rpms.
Bottom line, its a big turbo and its a little doggy down low, but lets be honest its a t4 turbo haha.
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05-15-2013
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#2834
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Here you can see we can spool it faster but it becomes all out of whack when we do:
New log taken over lunch, more boost to go steady 32psi then more fuel, starting to feel very smooth and consistent now.
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05-15-2013
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#2835
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Champlin
Drives: 09 G8 GT
Posts: 153
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Looks like you need more displacement like me!
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2009 G8 GT
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05-15-2013
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#2836
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: stillwater
Drives: cbr 1000rr repsol
Posts: 1,451
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Why you no rev to 10k? Your set up really holds steady boost. Car looks really strong.
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05-16-2013
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#2837
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by 93gtpeater
Why you no rev to 10k? Your set up really holds steady boost. Car looks really strong.
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GSC only recommends 8500 on the gsc s2's and I am not sure what my supertech springs are rated for.
Honestly, I am sure my motor could handle 10k rpms, but the most I ever see going is 9500 for the 1/4 mile for trapping in 4th.
But if I went all honey badger it would be cool to rev it further to see what kind of power it makes lol
The shortblock is rated to 10k though I think (manley rods should be good there and the stock cranks are very stout).
I don't know I could shift up there lol.
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05-16-2013
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#2838
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: stillwater
Drives: cbr 1000rr repsol
Posts: 1,451
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
I am just curious as to when your car will stop making power up top. It would be nice to have it flatter up top so when you shift you stay in your peak power. One question I have is your tuning the car at 32 psi do you have any other maps/tunes for lower boost that are fine tuned
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05-16-2013
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#2839
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
No other maps right now.
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05-16-2013
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#2840
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: eagan
Posts: 898
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Much better! How does it feel with the new power?
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