Bastard 20G?

howslowcanyougo · 06-18-2005

98 Tsi, AWD, Auto, 650 Injectors, 255 FP, dsmlink, Apexi N1 Exhaust, Injen Intake, EI FMIC.

What do you all think of this interesting hybrid turbo on the above car <my present system?>

http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=1977&

Looks like it could be a nice and easy to install power upgrade with that 20G comp wheel and TDO6H Exhaust side?

This would be a much simpler direct swap with my present bad Big 16 with all the oil, water, return and outlet fittings being exactly the same?

What's your 2 cents?

TIA......

john · 06-18-2005

That is a pretty small 20g... It is like the one Jim (talon Fiero) had. I would definitly upgrade to the tdo6 exhaust housing if you decided on getting it. That would bring the price to $1000 where IMO you would be better off getting a buschur 20g. Being an auto, you may want to opt for the port job to help increase spool and as you are going to be running an external wastegate, you may want to research the turbo more and see if you should get it clipped to help prevent boost creep.

I believe there is a company who will upgrade your turbo to the same setup which would probly be cheaper. I would check with FP or extreme.

white 2g awd · 06-18-2005

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Originally Posted by Carlos

I believe there is a company who will upgrade your turbo to the same setup which would probly be cheaper. I would check with FP or extreme.

it is fp, forcedperformance.com, its only like 375 i think, it sounds like a hell of a deal to me, and forced performance has some awesome turbos, so they have to know what they are doing.

ps ok, wait, they upgrade to the 18g.....here is the webpage, but i would still definatley think about it http://linux.forcedperformance.net/m...egory_Code=DSM

Jakey · 06-19-2005

Well if I'm remembering the specs on the FP Sleeper 16G correctly, we can compliment Slowboy on copying the FP Sleeper 16G: http://linux.forcedperformance.net/m...Code=DSM-Turbo

howslowcanyougo · 06-19-2005

I'm now also looking at this PTE Turbo as well:

http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=2190&

I know I'd need a new 3" intake, and Extreme Intercoolers will let me swap the outlet LICP pipe to fit a this turbo as well.

My question is what kind of changes would I need to make for the water and oil lines from my big 16 to install this new PTE SCM-5031E model?

Or is this SCM-5031E going to just be way to laggy on my Auto?

Should I stick to the smaller Bastard 20G for faster spool up, but less power?

Just looking for the right fit for my setup?

TIA.....

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 06-19-2005

Get a higher stall and lag won't be a problem, at least from a roll. Maybe some nitrous if lag is a problem from a stop.

howslowcanyougo · 06-19-2005

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Originally Posted by ecoli

Get a higher stall and lag won't be a problem, at least from a roll. Maybe some nitrous if lag is a problem from a stop.

So Shane, you'd then go with this SCM-5031E, vs. a mitsu 20G, or this SBR bastard 20G overall?

Tranny, NO2 are going to have to happen next year, IF I want to continue to stay married!

For now just need the right size snail?

Many Thanks.....

EclipseGST · 06-19-2005

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Originally Posted by Jakey

Well if I'm remembering the specs on the FP Sleeper 16G correctly, we can compliment Slowboy on copying the FP Sleeper 16G: http://linux.forcedperformance.net/m...Code=DSM-Turbo

That is such a waste of money for "around 400whp". The Evo III 16g at half the price is good for almost that and has done 400whp in one car. If your going to spend that much why not get a AGP RS49T or a RS60T. Then when you do your tranny work and possibly get nitrous and you will be set. A 20g would probably be your best bet but if you want a new turbo, its going to be easier and cheaper to find a 50 trim. Just my $.02 on this topic.

slowbubblecar · 06-19-2005

If you go with the PTE 50 trim, you will need to block off the coolant lines as they do not take coolant lines. You will also need an oil line kit and possibly have to order a cast elbow to be welded on hte outlet pipe.

This is Carlos posting under James' name...

howslowcanyougo · 06-19-2005

Thanks much for all the great input gents.

I agree that the SBR Bastard 20G looks to be overpriced vs the EVO3.

I like the ease of install for the EVO3, but really would like a bit more power?

Also still kind of spooks me not have any water cooling, as I would like to keep this turbo going for a while?

A standard 20G uses water cooling, and should be good for about ~450 HP right or?

What are the details to swap in a 20G as far as the lines, and elbows?

TIA.......

howslowcanyougo · 06-20-2005

Did some more digging, and finally decided on this one, in prep for next year.

<Jet, you know atleast I didn't go with the V Trim..........:->

http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=2198&

Damm the the Torpeados.....

slowbubblecar · 06-20-2005

The 20g and 50 trim weren't big enough huh? You will need a bigger intake and probably some braided turbo lines now.

howslowcanyougo · 06-20-2005

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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

You will need a bigger intake and probably some braided turbo lines now.

The braided lines and 3" intake are on the way!

Just gotta figure out how to properly block off those water lines now?

Thanks for your help!

Jaei Sun · 06-20-2005

I'm pretty sure Shane was referring to upgrading your Torque Converter in your automatic. What modifications have you done to your auto?? If I remember correctly from your For Sale Ad, you hadn't listed anything for the tranny. The automatic is a pig that needs 3 things (IMO) for it to get results.

- Higher Stall Torque converter from IPT (Since it appears you have money to blow I'd say get the 9 1/2 inch Billet Converter)

- End clutch kit

- Shift kit

john · 06-20-2005

I hope you ordered a a big FMIC kit. You were worried about lag and you chose this turbo????? Nitrous would be a great choice now, increase spool and help you get out of the hole quicker.

howslowcanyougo · 06-20-2005

The FMIC is a bar and plate 31 X 7 X 3.5 with 2.5" hard short route piping from the outlet all the way to the TB. Suppose to flow 800 CFM?

I agree I need both all the Tranny upgrades and the NO2, but that's just not going to happen this year cash wise. I'll just have to live with a laggy pig this summer and next spring upgrade again when I can afford to do so.

In the long run I think it's a solid plan, vs just dump it and take abiut a $10K bath.

slowbubblecar · 06-20-2005

Good luck getting the 31" i/c in front of your car. You will have to cut the crap out of the front frame rail, remove it or have longer route pipiing for it to work. You will probably need to remove the bumper support because it would be a bitch to cut. Are you planning on installing this stuff yourself? I know autos have a small chance of walking, but do you know if your car is crankwalking or already walked? You will want ARPs and a new HG for that turbo also.
I blew past my new copper sprayed HG 2 weeks ago with my 60 trim and that was on a run with 1.83 counts of knock. That gasket lasted 2 pulls so I don't think your stocker with stock head bolts could stand a chance.

howslowcanyougo · 06-20-2005

Supposely this FMIC will fit into a 2G, just measured it and guess it's only 30" including the end tanks. One way or the other were gonna have to just make it fit. Both my son, godson and myself are going to try to do as much work as we can do without stretching our skills too much to wreck stuff. Good point on the ARP's and the HG, will just have to turn the boost way down till I can get qpr or some good wrench to install them, as I never even seen them get installed, and don't want to wreck my junk ass 7 bolt, just yet.......:->

john · 06-20-2005

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...bayphotohosting

Do you mean 650 cfm? Here are the links from before. I am not so sure I believe it will go in without taking out the support. It looks like it is 2.8" thick so it might. I have only installed 3.5 inch ones. It looks like you will most likely be running long route piping the way the end tanks are or at least not have to cut the frame rail. On slowbubblecar's 2g, his core is 28" long and his endtanks pointed straight towards the engine so he had to cut a lot. It should be a good setup when it is done though.

howslowcanyougo · 06-20-2005

My mistake, the standard"Hybrid" tube and fin 2.8 width flows 650 cfm, this custom model bar and plate @ 3.5" width suppose to flow @ 750 cfm.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/show...e+intercoolers

"Just a lil fyi, they have two 7" kits. One flows 650cfm and the other flows 750 cfm. The full bar&plate is the more flowing unit. So I think it should handle a 50trim fine. I just ordered my 7" bar&plate kit on monday. Total w/ shipping was $820($45 for shipping)

Thanks again for the great insights guys!