Help with injectors?

The 92 Laser · 03-19-2012

So I'm looking to upgrade to some 2200cc injectors. I currently own 1600cc PTE they work fine and everything but have issues with starting. I have heard it is common problem with thoses style of injectors.

So I'm looking for some FIC injectors obviously expensive. So I'm shopping around and find some deals then I received a email offering me Bosch injectors and in this email he stated that they are the exact same.

So my question is are Bosch and FIC injectors the same?

Thanks Ross

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 03-19-2012

The ID2000 and FIC are Bosch Ev14 injectors. You would want a truely matched set though. ID saw as much as 13% difference at 2msec from one of those big Bosch injectors to the next.

**Kracka** · 03-19-2012

I am in love with my ID1000 injectors; nearly double the size as factory but they idle and start just as well. They use the same cores as the FIC1100's, but for whatever reason people are having much better results with the ID's so it must be something in the way they modify and/or match the sets. I know this isn't the size you're looking for, but I figured I'd give you my feedback on the brands.

The 92 Laser · 03-19-2012

Ok and to get a truely matched set I have to do what?

**asshanson** · 03-19-2012

Make sure they are actually flow matched with documentation.

**CornFed2.4** · 03-20-2012

Most companies send you them when you by new. I cant remember what my FIC 1680s were but they were all very close in flow.

Do yo have low impedience injectors now? I think just switching to high-z might help with the issues you are having.

**CornFed2.4** · 03-20-2012

Also I've seen some new FIC high-z 2150s pop up the last couple weeks on tuners for around $550-$600

The 92 Laser · 03-20-2012

Ok so the guy I'm talking to yet me theses numbers

psi 8 volts 10 volts 12volts 14v 16v flow cc

43.5 1451 946 677 492 373 2225

50.0 1537 1018 717 523 401 2365

He said he tests them and can email me documents if I want to before I get the injectors

turbotalon1g · 03-20-2012

Are you looking at a used set?

**Kracka** · 03-20-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by asshanson

Make sure they are actually flow matched with documentation.

This.

The 92 Laser · 03-20-2012

No theses are new set.

turbotalon1g · 03-20-2012

I know that you can send them in to the guys and link and get them tested/flowed.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 03-20-2012

One problem though is that you might have 4 injectors that are within 1% at 100% duty cycle, but 10% off at idle/cruise duty cycles.

The 92 Laser · 03-20-2012

Ok so what do u recommend. should I buy a set of injectors and then send them off to get flow tested and see where they are? or just go with FIC injectors because they have all that done already? I guess I'm just looking more of a direct answer.

**asshanson** · 03-20-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance

One problem though is that you might have 4 injectors that are within 1% at 100% duty cycle, but 10% off at idle/cruise duty cycles.

Who cares about idle/cruise AFRs, it's WOT that matters! hahaha j/k

**Kracka** · 03-20-2012

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Originally Posted by The 92 Laser

Ok so what do u recommend. should I buy a set of injectors and then send them off to get flow tested and see where they are? or just go with FIC injectors because they have all that done already? I guess I'm just looking more of a direct answer.

Injectors should be matched from the manufacturer, I know my DW's and ID's were, and included all the flow/spec sheets rated at multiple voltages and pressures. I think you're over-thinking this purchase. Figure out what size injectors you really need, and buy the best ones you can afford. If 1600's are enough to support your setup going 50% larger to 2200's seems like a poor idea. How about a set of FIC 1450 BlueMax injectors, would they be large enough for you? They seem to start/idle really well (and I know of a barely used set for sale).

**goodhart** · 03-20-2012

Just buy new ones and save yourself the headache. Otherwise ravenworks in maple grove does injectors

**CornFed2.4** · 03-21-2012

If it were me I'd get the FIC 2150s. I know a few members on here have no issues with them.

FattyBoomBatty · 03-21-2012

Why limit yourself with smaller injectors? Just go for the big ones and never worry about capacity/head room again. I remember not too long ago Shane said on here of facebook or something that turbo guys always tune to the max of their fuel system, but you get these N/A honda owners with fuel setups that support WAY more than the motor can make. Just have that margin of safety or comfort or whatever. 2150s all the way.

turbotalon1g · 03-23-2012

FIC 2150s have received fantastic reviews on the link forums and other places about how nice they are to tune on both gas and E85.

I'd get those, I have heard that the IDs are matched closer, but FICs customer support has been reported to be excellent and so for me I'm going 2150s.