11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
Yeah, thats why my buddies professors said too. I wouldnt worry about it at all. How lean can you go on E85?
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
Yea, eff that coating business. If some X number of years down the road your shit looks questionable, just get a new fuel rail!
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
The best part of running e85 is having the freedom to run high boost at all times. Who really can afford to run race gas daily?
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11-19-2006
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Sten Sniper
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
This is sounding tempting...for the colt. 60/40 eh?
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
I'm looking to do this for next season. I'm looking at the FIC 1150 injectors, keeping the stock fuel lines, and the 255hp pump on my 50 trim setup. If the 255 get's maxed out, I'll probably be going with that Bosch 044 pump.
I remember this being discussed a long time ago, but does anyone ground their fuel pump or anything when running e85 since it apparently is a conductor of electricity?
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
Gasoline conducts electricity. Should we ground the pump now? Gasoline burns easier than e85, so I would guess that you are safer with e85 uner most conditions.
So, as long as I don't store the car for a logn period with e85 in the tank or fuel lines, it should be fine? And convert to non-rubber soft fuel line.
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
K smartass, thanks for that.
They install some sort of flame suppressors in the FFV vehicles, and it has something to do with how e85 conducts electricity from what I gathered. And I know a long time ago Eric had mentioned grounding our fuel pumps because we don't have that supressor. Is anyone grounding any additional components, or just running the cars as they are?
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
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Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty
Gasoline conducts electricity. Should we ground the pump now? Gasoline burns easier than e85, so I would guess that you are safer with e85 uner most conditions.
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Wow, that is interesting because this is a quote straight off the US DOT website "Ethanol and Ethanol blends conduct electricity. Gasoline, by contrast, is an electrical insulator."
http://www.chemtrec.org/NR/rdonlyres...elMixtures.pdf
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
I must say that I haven't seen any writeups about E85 convert cars having corrosive problems. I even read about a Mustang that has been running on it for over a year without any sign of wear on the fuel system. The most interesting point he made was the fact that he did not protectively coat anything.
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11-19-2006
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Wanker
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
It's a very slow process. Some rubbers and uncoated aluminum can slowly weaken or oxidize. I don't know any concrete numbers, but I expect it's years before any problems make themselves known. For those of us who pull most of those parts off on a semi regular basis it shouldn't be a problem to check and replace/upgrade accordingly.
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11-19-2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
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Alright, I was wrong, (Sorry brandon) according to them, but thank you for that link, it is quite interesting. Just below that tidbit is another, more interesting fact:
At low temps (32*F) e85 vapor is more flamable than gasoline vapor.
edit: nvm.
Edit: also, I just read that the vapor settles in low spots, so would there need to be mods to the gas tank?
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11-20-2006
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aka Goodbye
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
You guys are overthinking this. Put it in, tune accordingly and have fun. You'll be replacing engines before your aluminum parts disintegrate from an ethanol blend.
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08-09-2007
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
My fuel system consists of a walb255, FPR, and 720cc injectors. I'm using a 20g turbo, do you think I could tune that with my safcII or do I need better tuning capabilities?
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08-09-2007
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=269341
^750's(i think), 20G, Boom.
I was just reading a shit-ton on this stuff.
DSMLINK forums has some more shit, just search e85 in google.
Heres the spoon for your mouth
I plan to run e85 on 850's, E316G, 255 wally, afpr and all on a tune via DSMLINK.
I've been looking to find any current setups running near mine to find out what ratios and volumes to set my 'link to.
only 1800$ and ill be writing up a thing or two on this e85 on a 16G poop. Can't wait to smell like the alley behind a bar!
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08-09-2007
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
For some reason the first link wouldn't work. Dsmlink would be nice but I can't afford it right now, what do you think about tuning that much fuel with a safcII?
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08-09-2007
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
Hmm..Link works for me. Check the google link, that is where I first came across the evomn link.
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08-09-2007
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aka Goodbye
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
You'll be fine. E85 takes roughly 30% more fuel to run stoich, so you only need to subtract about 19% fuel at idle and part throttle to make 720's work. Well within the range of a SAFC2.
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08-09-2007
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formerly ecoli
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
HKS: What MAS are you running?
As far as tuning, 720s+ E85, should work very well with an SAFC on paper, better than trying to tune them on pump gas with all the timing side effects you run into with having to go very negative on the SAFC.
The biggest problem will be the car making too much power and maxing out the 720s early. 720s on E85 are comparing in power handling to 510-550cc injectors on normal gas.
Last edited by Shane@DBPerformance; 08-10-2007 at 09:10 AM..
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08-10-2007
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
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Originally Posted by ecoli
What MAS are you running?
As far as tuning, 720s+ E85, should work very well with an SAFC on paper, better than trying to tune them on pump gas with all the timing side effects you run into with having to go very negative on the SAFC.
The biggest problem will be the car making too much power and maxing out the 720s early. 720s on E85 are comparing in power handling to 510-550cc injectors on normal gas.
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That answer is good enough for me. Just too bad it took 9 months to get it.
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08-10-2007
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Re: How much power with 750cc's and e85?
I found some good equations in that evomn site figuring out e85 and what injectors but I'm not a math-magician so I don't really know how far my 850's will get me with an E316G w/2g MAS n' 255 AFPR.
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