having N00b problems.....

iceminion · 12-09-2007

91 Tsi AWD 5speed

Car ran fine, oil filter spun off, had to rebuild the bottom end
compression after rebuild (65 100 70 65) (rings have not seated, engine has not run yet).
New temp sensor -- tried 2 known good ECUs -- ~40 PSi of fuel -- FIC 550cc's -- spark in all 4

The timing is correct! done it on at least 10 timing belt jobs!

While I crank the car, it tries to stutter to life, but fails

I completely disconnect the GM MAF, still stutters.

Any ideas? I have double checked pretty much everything? what else would cause a car not to start?

Thanks alot!

**JET** · 12-09-2007

CAS 180* out?

iceminion · 12-09-2007

seriously? is that even possible? *goes out to garage to check*

**JET** · 12-09-2007

Yep, it is and happens often.

sleepydsm · 12-09-2007

Or, did you put that thin metal spacer between the timing belt and balance shaft belt gears (the one you use to align the crankshaft timing mark) on backwards your timing will be off, and the car won't start. Thanks to a friend, that happened to my old car, wouldn't rev past 3K and was all sputtery.

driftn1g · 12-09-2007

it was the cas on wrong

iceminion · 12-09-2007

Uh, No

Good call JET, it COULD have been the problem.

The CAS was on correctly, I know this because there is a dot on the CAS and a dot on the cams, they lined up properly.

im going to double check the GM MAF.

And thanks swifty, ill look into that, i hope thats the problem.

iceminion · 12-09-2007

As you can see from the cell phone picture (sorry for the blurryness) the timing/balance belt separator is indeed installed properly, please note the black crap that has built up over the years is only worn out where the timing belt has kept it polished clean.

And yes, even though it is not shown in this picture, the timing is done correctly.

swapped out ECUs, put 450cc's in and re-configured the GM MAF.

it kidna burped, but then no, nothing....

I pulled the spark plugs and added oil to simulate compression. Kinda added a little much to one cylinder

125 - 125 - 200 - 175

Still nothing....

Speedfreak · 12-09-2007

It's worth a shot to just flip the cas around and try. Also, what are you using to tune, and are the plug wires in the proper order?

iceminion · 12-09-2007

Actually, its not "worth it" to flip the cas around and "try".
What is worth it is to look at the alignment dots and align the CAS.

1 and 4 go to the front coil.
2 and 3 go to the rear coil.

GM MAF and SAFC for tuning.

what should the karmen read while starting? its at a solid 3 when the car is not running, and it doesnt go up much while cranking...

b00stcreep21 · 12-09-2007

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Originally Posted by iceminion

Actually, its not "worth it" to flip the cas around and "try".
What is worth it is to look at the alignment dots and align the CAS.

Calm down n00b fucker, YOUR the one on here asking for help......

iceminion · 12-09-2007

Don't even try to talk down to me boost creep.

There is no "try" when you are working on a car, everything you do needs to be "CORRECT"

if anyone has anything more to suggest, say it now, otherwise this car gets pushed in the lot and I start working on my galant.

b00stcreep21 · 12-09-2007

Push the car in the lot please

**scheides** · 12-09-2007

If the MAF signal does not deviate from 3, it sounds like there is a problem with the MAF-T. I had this problem before, and if it's solid at 3hz, something is goofy with it. Mine had a leaky cover and was getting moisture inside the box.

So, clean that out, check the wiring, and if that doesn't work, try hooking up/plugging in a stock MAS.

Matt D. · 12-09-2007

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Originally Posted by iceminion

Don't even try to talk down to me boost creep.

There is no "try" when you are working on a car, everything you do needs to be "CORRECT"

if anyone has anything more to suggest, say it now, otherwise this car gets pushed in the lot and I start working on my galant.

How else are you going to fix the problem when no one knows what is causing it to begin with? Have you ever heard of troubleshooting? Trial and error is your friend and none of the suggestions given to you already are going to hurt anything. Your attitude right now is what makes people not want to help you in the future.

blageo23 · 12-09-2007

Yeah dude stop being a dickhead. are you sure your SAFC is wired up correctly/ setup correctly. DOUBLE CHECK THE CAS. and if you look at a manual you will notice that you dont line up the CAS with the "dot on the camshaft", you line up the dot on the camshaft sensor housing to the dot on the "plate"(the part that spins). Also like Sleepy said make sure that plate is on correctly(im the dickhead that put it on wrong cuz he was fighting with his bitchy ass girlfriend)! Make sure the MAFT is wired correctly...

Speedfreak · 12-10-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceminion

Actually, its not "worth it" to flip the cas around and "try".
What is worth it is to look at the alignment dots and align the CAS.

1 and 4 go to the front coil.
2 and 3 go to the rear coil.

GM MAF and SAFC for tuning.

what should the karmen read while starting? its at a solid 3 when the car is not running, and it doesnt go up much while cranking...

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceminion

Don't even try to talk down to me boost creep.

There is no "try" when you are working on a car, everything you do needs to be "CORRECT"

if anyone has anything more to suggest, say it now, otherwise this car gets pushed in the lot and I start working on my galant.

Um, you are the one who titled your own thread "having N00b problems.....". We are just trying to help, if you do not want the options you have to try, then push your pile in the lot and do not ask us for our opinion, only to be a dick after you have heard your options. And maybe you should listen to some of the advice YOU asked for, the people at the other end of the keyboard may have a bit more experience then you(specially considering the title YOU made). I'll be sure to try and never help you again. Thanks.

iceminion · 12-10-2007

This is Berda's car, the SAFC and GM MAF were working when the motor was removed.

This is some of the worst wiring in the world, so maybe I was wrong to assume that the gm maf was connected correctly...

The next step is to remove the GM MAF and SAFC completely. get a 1G mas and another ECU. Bring everything back to stock.

Matt D. · 12-10-2007

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Originally Posted by iceminion

This is Berda's car, the SAFC and GM MAF were working when the motor was removed.

So obviously something changed when the motor was removed and put back in. Figure it out, smart guy.

MustGoFaster · 12-10-2007

Have you tried advancing or retarding the CAS?