Shooting at Fort Hood, TX

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

I like how they are trying to say it's not related to terrorism!! B. FUCKING S. it isn't!!! If this isn't a real example of domestic terrorism, I don't know what is!!

Thanks to the Obama administration...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...hood-massacre/

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Thanks to the Obama administration...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...hood-massacre/

They'll do anything they can to say he was a lone radical acting on his own, due to having to deploy to Afganistan. But all he would have had to do was refuse to go based on his religious beliefs. Even if it cost him his military career, like he has one now anyway.

Maybe we have a huge conflict of interest in the military these days. But here's an example of how a minority gets special treatment from the government through fast track programs and free education, but his superiors and friends are scared to say anything about his beliefs and how they could cause a problem for the safety of others.

Even his military paperwork should have raised some red flags. But once again, nobody says anything for fear of being called a racist.

Maybe his recruiter should have said,
"Hey look, we know you want to fight for and serve the United States of America seeing as how you were born and rasied here, but at this time we are fighting terrorist with your same religious beliefs and this could be a major conflict of interest for you. Tell ya what, if we ever start fighting the Jews, we'll give you a call." No offense intended towards anyone here that is Jewish, just making a point.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Maybe we have a huge conflict of interest in the military these days.

Of course we have a huge conflict of interest! I spoke with a family member of mine in the military and asked why we allow muslims in the United States military and I was told its because we're desperate for soldiers. Seems a bit counter-productive as this event has proved if you ask me...

[hellomynameis]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Of course we have a huge conflict of interest! I spoke with a family member of mine in the military and asked why we allow muslims in the United States military and I was told its because we're desperate for soldiers. Seems a bit counter-productive as this event has proved if you ask me...

It's disappointing that you say this, especially considering that intolerance is much of the reason we're currently fighting terrorism in much of the middle east. Are you really in favor of excluding certain people based on their religious beliefs, country of origin, or any other reason?

The people who tend to commit acts of terrorism, which this particular scenario doesn't yet seem to be proven one, more often than not are extremists. They are violently intolerant of anything other than their own views on [insert anything here]. The same extreme intolerance appears in this thread, and especially in this comment....I really hope that no one on 'Style is a bigot in this day and age.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by hellomynameis

It's disappointing that you say this, especially considering that intolerance is much of the reason we're currently fighting terrorism in much of the middle east. Are you really in favor of excluding certain people based on their religious beliefs, country of origin, or any other reason?

When that's the exact group of people we're fighting then yes I do believe they should be excluded; if not its just a giant conflict of interest. Call me what you will, but enlisting a practicing muslim to fight other muslims, especially when its for the "white Christians," just doesn't make sense.

[Project2G]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Of course we have a huge conflict of interest! I spoke with a family member of mine in the military and asked why we allow muslims in the United States military and I was told its because we're desperate for soldiers.

I dissagree with that. We are not desperate for soldiers. Every branch right now has a delayed entry program because there are so many recruits. The military is sending out troops to basic training every Monday. Just my .02 from an enlisted Marine.

[TheBlizzard]

Originally Posted by Project2G

I dissagree with that. We are not desperate for soldiers. Every branch right now has a delayed entry program because there are so many recruits. The military is sending out troops to basic training every Monday. Just my .02 from an enlisted Marine.

So if that is true then why is the military enlisting individuals even before they are a citizen of the United States? That doesn't make sense, if we didn't need soldiers you would think they could be more selective on who they enlist, like people with the name Hassan.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by Project2G

I dissagree with that. We are not desperate for soldiers. Every branch right now has a delayed entry program because there are so many recruits. The military is sending out troops to basic training every Monday. Just my .02 from an enlisted Marine.

x2 The MN guard is waaaay over-strength right now, to the point where new recruits are having to go on a 6-8 month waiting list just to ship to basic training.

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

So if that is true then why is the military enlisting individuals even before they are a citizen of the United States? That doesn't make sense, if we didn't need soldiers you would think they could be more selective on who they enlist, like people with the name Hassan.

Not allowing someone into the military because of their name is just plain stupid. Not allowing someone into the military because of their religion is called descrimination. They have been allowing non-citizens join for a long time also.

A non-citizen can enlist in the military. However, federal law prohibits non-citizens from becoming commission or warrant officers.
In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permamently residing in the United States. It's important to note that the military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. One must immigrate first, using normal immigration quotas and procedures, and once they've established an address in the United States they can find a recruiter's office and apply for enlistment. Hell, when I was in Iraq, they had a huge ass naturalization ceremony where a few hundred people got their US citizenship.

[TheBlizzard]

The last name comment was a joke, obviously you didn't catch it. However you admit that not letting someone into the military because of their religion/beliefs is discrimination; that conservative outlook on the way our military and country should be run is why 13 people are dead right now and another 40+ are injured. Not to mention what happened on 9/11.

God for fucking bid if we discriminated against a Muslim and told him/her we don't want to take the risk of him/her killing a bunch of people down the road. If it never happened before I could see pulling the discrimination card, but considering the circumstances and past events who gives a fuck if someones feelings get hurt, at least people might not die because of it.

The whole reason they didn't call out this Hassan dude about his talks with a known terrorist is because they didn't want to look like they were discriminating or calling him out because of his religion, and LOOK WHERE THAT GOT THEM!

[Febo]

Originally Posted by Project2G

I dissagree with that. We are not desperate for soldiers. Every branch right now has a delayed entry program because there are so many recruits. The military is sending out troops to basic training every Monday. Just my .02 from an enlisted Marine.

Holy crap do I ever agree with this.

And man I cant even read this entire thread. It just turned into the typical racist load that seems to be prevelant on this board.

I know muslims in the military that have NO qualms with killing the terrorist and isurgant scum that are the cause of this war.

MUSLIM DOES NOT = TERRORIST you racist, ignorant effs.

If you wanted to go on that logic then

WHITE MAN = KKK, go hang some black people. Or hate on some Jews, because with your logic towards muslims its the same damn thing.

You all want to just PRETEND that white Christians Extremists arent JUST as bad as Muslim Extremists.

Times like these I'm glad to be a tolerant Agnostic. And by tolerant I mean towards religions, not racist ignorant BS.

[TheBlizzard]

Originally Posted by RLFebo

MUSLIM DOES NOT = TERRORIST you racist, ignorant effs.

Where did you read that? I re-read the whole thread and couldn't find where somebody said that all Muslims are Terrorist's? Unless somebody edited their post; if not it appears as if you are making shit up in order to attempt to make a point about something that was never said, which last time I checked is 'ignorant'.

Bottom line is this country just needs to re-think some of it's security measures when it comes to whom they let into the military and who they let into this country.

And Brandon you're right, this thread is aweful, it sucks this country has came to these kind of discussions. The worst isn't over by far though the way things are going.

Blizzard - Signing Off

[hellomynameis]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Where did you read that? I re-read the whole thread and couldn't find where somebody said that all Muslims are Terrorist's? Unless somebody edited their post; if not it appears as if you are making shit up in order to attempt to make a point about something that was never said, which last time I checked is 'ignorant'.

You're right, there is no direct quote. However, it is easily inferred from several comments. The idea of not allowing any Muslim into our armed forces solely because they are a Muslim and some Muslims are terrorists effectively groups them all together as terrorists.

What you, and others, seem to be failing to understand is that the actions of any subset of a group do not define the entire group and when you knowingly and willfully deny the entire group any of the rights they are given by being a citizen of the United States of America you are discriminating. It's disgusting to think that any of you would want to do this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of profiling because it seems to work. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. However, you can't strip search every Muslim person that goes through the airport, it's not the same thing.